Cleves 3NW (James Davis)November ended up 4.4 degrees above normal.

Kent 2W (Eric Wertz) - November 2003 was characterized by normal temperatures and slightly below normal precipitation.  Measurable precipitation was observed on 14 days and measurable snowfall was noted on three days.  The most active weather of the month was observed on the 12th when several tornadoes were spawned across the Buckeye state in conjunction with severe thunderstorms ahead of a potent cold front.  The most intense of these tornadoes was in Wooster.  The highest 24-hour precipitation total was 0.83 inches on the 28th, and the greatest 24-hour snowfall was 2.1 inches on the 29th.  Total monthly liquid equivalent precipitation was 2.77.  Three fog days were observed.

Kidron 1N (Ronald Hahn) -  November, 2003 was the fourth warmest November of record at Kidron 1N.  The high temperature record for the month was tied on the 4th at 79.  Rainfall was 0.57 inches below the normal.

Newcomerstown 1S - The average high was 5.6 degrees above normal; the average low was 1.9 degrees above normal and the mean temperature was 3.2 degrees above normal. Snowfall was 0.1" below normal. Windiest day was the 13'th with an average wind speed of 10.9 mph. Average wind speed for the month was 3.5 mph. Heating degree days totaled 588.7. There were six record high's either tied or broken and two record lows tied or broken. Highest pressure was 30.68" on the 9th and the lowest pressure was 29.52" on the 19'th.

Ottawa 4E (Phil and Bonnie Higley) Month started out very warm, with record broken Hi's. Then as the month went on, the temperature started to go down along with it. After seeing a record Hi of 77F, we never seen 70'sF again.........Been a very wet month!

Perrysville 4W (Katie Gerwig)  -  Near normal precip. and slightly above normal temps.  High winds 12th - 13th as cold front moved in (tornadoes at Wooster evening of the 12th).  Trace of snow on the 13th.  First measurable snow of season 28th - 29th.

Ravenna 1E (Rich Rabatin)  Record high of 76 on the 2nd of the month here at Ravenna 1E. Although I did record a high of 77 on the 4th, but that was not a record. Severe weather was also in the area on the 12th, which prompted a Thunderstorm watch which was replaced by a Tornado Watch. Here, I had nothing, but down to our SW and SE,they had tornadoes. Ravenna 1E also had its first accumulating snow fall on the 29th with 4.0" of the white, wet stuff.

Ravenna 1SE (Gary Locke)  November was a month of extremes for Ravenna 1SE. There was a differential of 64 degrees between the high and low temperatures of the month. First measurable snow (4")of season fell on 11/28/03. Threat of severe thunderstorms on 11/12/03 did not materialize at this location, however we did experience post frontal high winds on that day and next day.

Sabina (Ron Rockhold) -  Nov. was above average so this has been a year of extremes. With a month to go we are over 40".   The 30 year average is 39.2".

Sharonville 2NE (Mike Moyer) - First snowfall of the season. Recorded only a trace on two separate days.

Springfield (Dick Groeber) -  Locally, this month saw a ride range of barometric pressure and temperature along with gusty winds and scattered rainfall along with the first measurable snowfall of the season.  The barometric pressure range from a high of 30.71 inches of mercury on the 9th to a low of 29.63 inches on the 24th.  The high reading of 30.71 inches was the fourth highest recorded here since 1968.  The highest was 30.75 on the 21st in 1974 and again on the 21st in 1996.  The next highest was 30.72 inches on the 30th in 1999.  The temperatures were also highly variable giving periods of warm and cold.  The high temperature of 78 on the 4th was the second highest for a November recorded here since 1968.  The highest was 82 on the 30th in 1999.  Rainfall was scattered with three main periods of notable amounts.  The greatest amount was on the 27th and 28th (Thanksgiving) giving a total of 1.33 inches.  The next significant precipitation was the first measurable snowfall on the morning of the 29th with 1.70 inches.  The winds were gusty during the month with three significant periods.  The strongest gust was on the 12th at 50 M.P.H.

Thompson 5SW (Vance Lunn) The first three weeks were rather mild with the mildest being the first week. A notable exception being the 8th-10th whith a cold spell. The period was punctuated by occasional light snowfalls. The last week saw seasonably cold temperatures and a 4.5" snowfall which marked the beginning of continuous seasonal snow cover.

Wooster 7N (Jack Sisler) An F2 tornado with winds of 110-130 m.p.h. went through the heart of Wooster on the evening of November 12 around 7 p.m. The path was estimated to be about twelve miles long and 50-125 yards wide. I had only minor damage since the closest I was to the tornado path was about four miles to the south of me. The highest wind gust I had occured the next morning after the passage of the cold front with a 46 m.p.h. gust. Damage estimates from the tornado are close to twenty million dollars. Thousands of trees were either broken off at the trunk or completely uprooted.  The rest of the month as a whole was fairly uneventful. Mean temperatures were almost six degrees above normal with high-temperature records set on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Precipitation was below normal for the month but still above normal for the year.





OWON # Station Mean Max Temp Mean Min Temp Mean Temp High Temp Date Low Temp Date Total Prec Max 24hr Prec Date


Prec Days

Total Snow Max 24hr Snow Date #  1"+ Snow Days Max Wind Gust Date
119 Akron 1W 54.0 38.0 46.0 78.0 4th 23.0 10th 2.66 0.95 27-28 14 3.10 3.0 28-29 2 22 12th
A Akron-Canton 53.0 36.8 44.9 76.0 4th 21.0 10th 3.10 1.05 27-28 14 0.90 0.50 28th 0 58 12th
107 Brookville 55.0 38.4 46.3 78.7 4th 21.3 25th 2.85 1.01 27th 12 0.25 0.25 28th 0 25 25th
82 Centerville 1W 56.1 38.2 47.1 78.0 2nd 22.0 9th 4.02 1.01 12th 13 0.10 0.10 29th 0 46 12th
A Cincinnati 57.0 38.9 48.0 78.0 4th 22.0 25th 3.92 0.87 12th 11 0.20 0.10 29th 0 45 12,13
13 Cincinnati 5NW 59.0 40.0 49.5 79.0 4th 25.0 9,25 4.77 1.71 12th 10 0.20 0.10 28-29 0 -- --
A Cleveland 55.6 39.9 47.8 79.0 4th 23.0 10th 3.58 1.16 28-29 14 4.50 4.30 28-29 2 59 12th
55 Cleves 3NW 58.6 38.4 48.5 80.0 2nd 23.0 9th 3.85 1.26 27-28 11 T T 24th 0 34 12th
A Columbus 55.4 39.1 47.2 77.0 4th 23.0 25th 2.89 0.81 11th 12 0.70 0.60 29th 0 45 12,13
A Dayton 54.7 38.3 46.5 76.0 4th 20.0 9th 3.88 1.09 27th 13 0.20 0.20 29th 0 48.0 12th
22 Kent 2E 54.4 36.4 45.4 77.0 4th 18.0 10th 2.64 0.83 28th 14 1.90 1.50 29th 1 28 13th
430 Kent 2W 54.0 35.6 44.8 77.0 4th 18.0 10th 2.77 0.83 28th 14 2.50 2.10 29th 1 38 12th
2 Kidron 1N 55.3 37.5 46.4 79.0 4th 20.0 9, 10 2.62 0.77 28th 11 0.20 0.20 29th 0 18 12th
87 Lagrange 2SW 55.0 36.9 46.0 79.0 4th 18.0 10th 3.36 1.13 27th 13 2.10 1.60 28th 1 51 12th
23 Lodi 2S 53.9 36.4 45.2 78.0 4th 19.0 10th 2.05 0.53 27th 11 0.40 0.40 28th 0 49 13th
A Mansfield 52.8 36.2 44.5 76.0 4th 19.0 9th 3.16 0.92 27-28 14 2.10 0.9 28th 0 47 12th
51 Middleburg Heights  2N -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 3.14 1.25 28th 12 3.00 2.00 28th 2 -- --
  Munroe Falls 1SW 54.5 37.1 45.8 78.0 5th 20.0 10th 3.28 0.69 29th 18 2.80 1.50 30th 2 50 11,12
106 Newcomerstown 1S 55.7 35.0 45.3 80.0 4th 19.0 9th 2.61 0.93 27-28 14 1.30 1.00 28-29 1 39 12
32 North Ridgeville 1N 56.0 38.1 47.1 80.0 4th 19.0 10th 3.66 1.41 28th 16 1.60 1.30 29th 1 45 13th
15 Ottawa 4E 54.1 36.0 45.1 77.0 4th 17.0 9th 2.47 0.87 27th 15 T T 13th 0 55 12th
38 Perry 54.4 39.6 47.0 78.0 4th 24.0 10th 3.73 1.32 26th 12 0.10 0.10 8th 0 -- --
79 Perrysville 4W 54.1 36.8 45.5 75.0 4th 19.0 19th 2.70 0.67 27th 11 0.70 0.50 28th 0 -- --
101 Ravenna 1E 54.9 38.9 46.9 77.0 4th 22.0 10th 3.05 0.83 28th 13 4.00 4.00 29th 1 62 13th
120 Ravenna 1SE 54.7 34.7 44.7 82.0 4th 18.0 9th 3.27 1.07 28th 13 4.00 4.00 28th 1 -- --
51 Sabina -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 3.50 0.91 12th 12 -- -- -- -- -- --
43 Sharonville 2NE 58.8 40.5 49.3 81.0 2nd 24.0 25th 3.38 0.96 12th 12 T T 28-29 0 39 12th
1 Springfield 55.0 39.0 47.0 78.0 5th 24.0 25th 3.89 0.95 11th 12 1.70 1.70 29th 1 50 12th
112 Sugarcreek 2SW 55.4 37.0 46.2 77.0 4th 19.0 9th 2.94 0.81 28th 15 0.50 0.50 29th 0 39 13th
98 Thompson 5SW 51.5 36.1 43.8 75.0 4th 20.0 10th 2.86 0.78 28th 16 6.10 4.50 28-29 2 -- --
117 Tiltonsville 58.0 38.5 47.6 82.0 4th 24.0 10th 3.16 1.09 19th 14 0.31 0.25 29th 0 42 24th
A Toledo 53.7 37.0 45.4 80.0 4th 20.0 10th 1.99 0.58 18-19 12 0.70 0.60 28th 0 61 12th
16 Wooster 7N 54.2 36.1 45.1 77.0 4th 18.0 10th 1.96 0.37 27th 16 0.70 0.40 29th 0 46 13th
A Youngstown 53.3 36.5 44.9 77.0 4th 17.0 10th 3.00 0.76 27-28 14 2.50 1.50 13th 1 53 13th
OWON # Station Mean Max Temp Mean Min Temp Mean Temp High Temp Date Low Temp Date Total Prec Max 24hr Prec Date


Prec Days

Total Snow Max 24hr Snow Date #  1"+ Snow Days Max Wind Gust Date

A = Airport         



Date: Sat Nov 1, 2003 12:56 pm

Subject: October in Review


Hello List;

Temperatures in October were below normal, and precipitation was pretty much normal. Highest temperature took

place on the 8'th of the month ay 78 degrees. A record high of 77 was established on the 31'st. Three record lows

were established at the start of the month. Lowest temperature was 27 degrees on the 3'rd and again on the 24'th.

Pressure bottomed out at 29.35" on the 14'th of the month.

Average high was 63.0 or 2.6 below normal

Average low was 38.8 or 2.4 below normal

Mean temperature was 50.9 or 2.5 below normal

Rainfall was 2.75" or 0.05" above normal (noraml)

Highest temperature was 78 on the 8'th

Lowest temperature was 27 on the 3'rd and 24'th

Highest gust was 31 on the 14'th

Average gust was 16.7 mph

Dominating wind direction was SSW

Windiest day was the 31'st with an average wind speed of 7 mph

There were no thunder days

Heating Degree Days were 439.6

Cooling Degree Days were 4.2

There were 11 precipitation days


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Subject: Another One Bites the Dust!!!


At 3:07 p.m. on Monday November 3'rd, 2003, a reading of 77 degrees was hit for the daily high temperature. This

reading surpasses the record high of 71 established in 2000. And to think, a year ago today we set a record low of 22


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 6:41 pm

Subject: Re: Another One Bites the Dust!!!


Don and Group:


I also broke high temperature records yesterday and today; 74 degrees

both days. Tomorrow, many stations may be breaking records, some

which go back in the books quite a long ways. My highest for Tuesday

is 70 set in 1994. The high temperature record at the Ohio

Agricultural Research Center on the south side of Wooster is 74

degrees in 1964.


I don't mind seeing records set if there on the high end (ha,ha).

Looks like by the end of the week this will all be a joke.


Any other comments on our Indian Summer?



Wooster 7N


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 6:57 pm

Subject: record!!!!


Well we broke a record HI today............

Wail Toledo, Oh. didn't even get out of the 50F today,

we got in the mid 70's. Got up to 76F at 2:28 p.m..

Ray Burkholder "Offical Weather Observer" for Putnam,

Co. Told me this afternoon. The old record was 75F back

in 1987. I had 75.7F, for today HI. Where's winter or


Didn't have to much fog down here this morning. It

was Mtly. Clear day!

We was down to 54F for our Low temperature.


Putnam, Co.


Date: Mon Nov 3, 2003 9:33 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Another One Bites the Dust!!!


Hello Jack and List;

My record high for Tuesday is 67 in 2001 so I'll bet we break that by 11 a.m. The all time record high for November

here according to my records is 79 on the 2'nd in 1982.

As for "Indian Summer" and the current pattern. I love this weather. It's great. It's a nice thing to have after the past

11 or 12 months in "the through" as it were. I know we have a temporary drop in temperatures coming this weekend,

however looking at the extended outlook, I see us rebounding back into the 60's by next Tuesday. I hate to jinx it,

but I'm starting to suspect a long term pattern change. I'm thinking that we're not going to be in a trough much of the

winter like 2002-03, but more often than not on the good side of the jet stream. Or maybe I'm just wishing? LOL.

Talk to you all later.

Don Keating


Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 5:23 am

Subject: Cool and Fog


yesterday here in Toledo @ my station NE lucas...we had light fog all

day and ne winds...

the calandar day high was 58 at 12:05 am

dropped to 52 degrees at 7:39 am, 50 degrees @ 3:38 pm thru 4:45 pm...

49 degrees at 8:24 pm...

the afternoon high was only 51 degrees...


this morning 11/4/03 we have dense fog and 52 degrees, winds are east at

5 mph..

visibility 1/2 to 3/4 mile...overnight low was 49 at midnight then

remained in the the low 50's overnight...

looks like the warm front will make it here today!!!


mike bielski

toledo 5 ne

ne lucas

point place


Subject: All Time November Record...


Hello List;

At 2:36 p.m. Newcomerstown 1S established a new record high temperature for the date, as well as for the month of

November. The previous record high for November 4'th was 67 established in 2001. The previous all time record

high for November was 79 degrees on November 2, 1982. Today's high of 80 degrees establishes new bench marks

for the date, and the month.

It is 3:40 p.m. and currently 78 degrees. I might also add that I heard mention on a Cleveland TV weathercast last

night, that today would likely be the warmest November Election Day in Ohio's history. Did you get out and vote?

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 6:03 pm

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List, The high temperature here today was 78

degrees recorded at 2:12 p.m.. That broke my old station record high of 75

degrees set in 1987. The last time it was this warm was in 2001 with a high


73 degrees. Dick Groeber.



Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 6:19 pm

Subject: Most Recent 80+ Reading?


Hi List;

I was just wondering the last time I had a reading of 80 or higher. Well, it's been a while. On the 14'th of September

we had a high of 84 degrees. Not an 80 at all in October.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 6:45 pm

Subject: Temperature Records and Contrasts




I think numerous stations broke high temperature records including

those from official reporting points where some of those stood for 40

or 50 years. I had a 77 @ 1:58 p.m. that broke the previous record of

70 degrees set in 1994.


I was looking at a 1 p.m. hourly regional surface map and saw where

southern Michigan had partly cloudy skies with temperatures in the

lower 70's while in upper Michigan had snow showers with temperatures

in the lower 30's. Does that tell you anything?


Enjoy it while it lasts. Other comments on our Indian Summer?



Wooster 7N


Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 10:05 pm

Subject: Re: Monday - another warm one


Dang, Barb, it's practically hot down there in Middletown! Do you

get an urban heat island effect at your station or did it just get

that warm in your area? Is middletown in southern Ohio?


My stats here: I had a 72 high on the 2nd and 3rd, and todays high

of 75 was warmer than any day in all of October (73 was October's

high). Heck, it was only 4 degrees cooler than September's maximum

reading of 79! The low for today was 48.





Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 10:12 pm

Subject: Re: Cool and Fog


I did notice yesterday in Mentor that, while most of the area enjoyed

temps. around 70, it was in the 50's within a mile of the lake. I

could see the fog bank, but it was offshore yesterday afternoon in

the Mentor/Willoughby area.




Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 10:14 pm

Subject: actually...


Actually, all this warm weather now is just going to slow down the

cooling of Lake Erie and create more lake-effect snow later on.




Date: Wed Nov 5, 2003 6:24 am

Subject: October's Weather Statistics for Centerville 1W


Weather statistics for the month of October for Centerville 1W.

High Temp (Date) ... 80 / 11th

Low Temp (Date) ... 28 / 2nd

Mean High ... 64.5

Mean Low ... 41.2

Monthly Mean ... 52.8

Total Precipitation ... 2.33"

Max 24 hr Precipitation (Date) ... 1.21" / 14th

Number of Precipitation Days... 7

Total Snowfall... 0.0"

Max 24 hr Snowfall (Date) ... 0.0"

Max Snow Depth at time of observation ... 0"

High Wind Gust (Date) ... 36 MPH / 14th

Thunderstorm Days ... 0

Highest Barometer (Date) ... 30.38" / 2nd

Lowest Barometer (Date) ... 29.42" / 14th

Average High Wind Gust... 16.3 MPH

Year To Date Precipitation . 40.01"

9.37" Above Normal

Robert Flory - KA5RUC

Centerville 1W

Southeast Montgomery County

Ohio Weather Observer Network #82

Wilmington NWS Skywarn ID OMT405


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Wed Nov 5, 2003 10:06 am

Subject: heat?


Yesterday we ended up with another record

HI temperarture.

We had 76.3F. Braken a old record of 75F.

I have a question to asked all of you.

How many of you are "Offical Weather


And how many of you are just amateure like



Putnam, Co.

Oh, I notices this morning when I was

looking at my e-mail. Someone was talking

about the lake's staying warmer. An we may

get more lake effents snow's.

That might be true, that is if we can get of

that zone no flow & start getting NNW

winds. For me that is..

Seeing I live 65 Miles to the South West of



Date: Thu Nov 6, 2003 7:23 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Monday - another warm one


I'd say it's an urban heat island effect, Vance. I live less than half a

block from downtown, with its large brick and stone buildings.


Election Day was gorgeous. II can't remember going to the polls when the

doors were open at 8 am to catch the breezes. We hit 87.2 around 3 pm.


Middletown is in southwestern Ohio, about halfway between Dayton and

Cincinnati. Its western border is the Great Miami River (about two blocks

from where I live) and its eastern border is the I-75 area.




Date: Thu Nov 6, 2003 12:53 pm

Subject: Daily Records


Does anyone know of a site where I can locate daily weather information for

years prior to 1948? I cannot seem to locate any before January 1948, but

as I'm sure that they exist in some fashion, I would be interested in

knowing where I could go to. Thanks




Date: Thu Nov 6, 2003 3:47 pm

Subject: Re: Daily Records



The National Climate Data Center should have all the records you

would want. However, most of the stuff on the site requires


Here is the site.




Date: Sat Nov 8, 2003 9:59 am

Subject: Record Low


At 7:09 a.m. a low temperature of 25 was established for Newcomerstown 1S. This breaks the previous record low

of 26 set in 1999. The forecast is for lows to be in the low 20s Sunday morning. From a record high of 80 degrees

set just four days ago to record lows in the low and mid 20's, needless to say it's a substantial temperature swing.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Sat Nov 8, 2003 8:26 pm

Subject: New Photos Added to Newcomerstown, Ohio Weather Site



I have four different photos on my weather site now. Two new fall photos, and two older winter photos. I've added

an effect called "buttonize" to them. Make them look kinda cool. Take a peek if you'd like to. I appreciate it. Thanks.

You should go to...

Don Keating,

Newcomerstown, Ohio


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Sat Nov 8, 2003 8:27 pm

Subject: temperature drops's


Druing the time the moon past over the earth, our temperature drop 1

whole dergree, and as it come back later on the temperature remain

the same.......

Did anyone else do the same thing??

Between 8 p.m.-8:45 p.m.


Putnam, Co.


Date: Sat Nov 8, 2003 9:38 pm

Subject: Message from a 2way device


Don Keating, From Springfield, Ohio.

I just caught the pictures on the website and found them and the website

very impressive! How about adding my data to your

website? The webaddress: Check it out and let me

know what you think. Also, I found tonights total

lunar eclipse totally awsome! How about you? Dick



Date: Sat Nov 8, 2003 10:09 pm

Subject: Re: Message from a 2way device



Don those are some nice photographs, I only wish I could take

them that good. Also saw the lunar eclipse tonight, the first time it

has been clear here during an astronomical event for I don't know how



Has anyone else noticed high barometer readings today. I am now

(10:00 PM) at 30.62" and rising. This is the highest I have seen

since I started to keep records (February 2003). Anyone else have any

good observations.



Lancaster 3NE


Date: Sat Nov 8, 2003 10:22 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Message from a 2way device


Hello Chris;

Thanks for your comments regarding the photos on my web site. I apprecaite it. Just takes a little creative eye and

lots of bad photos taken before I get a few I like. I've taken many more photos I didn't like than those I did like.

Pressure here is also 30.62" / 1038.9 mb, and still rising. Unisys at 9 p.m. eastern time had the center of the high

pressure somewhere near central Illinois. The highest pressure reading I noticed in Ohio was as follows...

TOLEDO METCALF CLEAR 25 17 72 NW5 30.68R TC -4

Toledo Metcalf is the airport. For those who don't know, that translates to 25 degrees with a dewpoint of 17 and a

humidity reading of 72%. Winds are NW @ 5 and the pressure is 30.68". The TC -4 means Temperature Celsius -4


I would suggest this is a strong high for this early in the season. The center of the high is at 1041 mb but that's down

from 1043 earlier today. And to think, earlier this week many places set record high temperatures, now many record

lows may be broken tonight. Gotta love Ohio weather!

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Sun Nov 9, 2003 7:08 am

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List, From Springfield, Ohio.

By 7 a.m. (!1-9-03) the high barometer was 30.67 inches. The highest

since (10-28--01) @ 30.62 inches of mercury. The highest previous was 30.78

inches (12-25-00). The low temp. was 24 degrees. The

station record low was 19 degrees set in 1995. The lowest since (3-30-03) @


degrees. Dick Groeber


Date: Sun Nov 9, 2003 12:54 pm

Subject: Record Low


At 6:56 a.m. the temperature bottomed out at 19 degrees. This broke the previous

record low. This is the coldest temperature so early in the season. The next coldest

record low is 17 on the 10'th set in 1981.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Sun Nov 9, 2003 7:26 pm

Subject: RE: Map Interprentation/NEOCAMS Meeting









Gary and Group:


Good idea Gary. I'm trying now to put together some questions to ask

with some multiple choice answers to choose from that would kind of

get a general consensus from everyone. Then whoever wants to "pickup

the ball and run with it" would have something to go on.


I personally think two key issues need to be addressed regarding a

meeting on map interpretation; time and location. Time, as in morning

or afternoon and length of time for a session. I think the best

attendence at any of the meetings I've been to has either been at the

Cleveland NWS or Kent State. But this may not work well for others in

different parts of the state. Are people willing to drive three or

four hours to attend this kind of meeting? If not, perhaps a speaker

in another part of the state could give the same kind of

presentation. What about one of the TV stations? I like the Saturday

mornings also because it doesn't chop up the day but that would have

to work around the instructor's time. Length of the Meeting? Also, I

think there needs to be a strong committment from those interested in

attending. For example, if you have fifteen people say they are

interested in coming but only three attend you've kind of wasted

everyones time.


I don't know whether I should be partly to blame for some of Eric's

dilema or not. Having not attended the last meeting or talked to Eric

since then I can't say. Reason being is I had said something to him

several months ago about my sister-in-laws husband, who is a fire

department training instructor that lives in the Columbus area, to

give a presentation on fighting a major forest fire out west last

year with a fire group out of Ohio. In addition to him being a fire

instructor, he is also with the Ohio Interagency Fire Group from

Columbus which is part of a national organization of fire fighters

with the Department of Forestry. He and others make themselves

available at a moments notice to be sent anywhere in the country to

assist with major forest fires where additional help is needed. His

position, when called, is that of a branch director or resourse unit

leader that does anything from coordinating crews and various

equipment to various areas to where water drops should be made to

certain areas. He just returned from the Cedar Fire near San Diego

where one fire fighter was killed in addition to thirteen civilian

fatalities. This fire appeared to have had the most media coverage so

I'm sure many of you saw it or read about it.


We tentatively were going to set November 1st as a date that was open

for him to speak. However, with him still being "on call" with the

fire situation out West, I told Eric we would have to postpone

anything until next year. This only left Eric about two weeks to put

something else together. During our discussion he said NEOCAMS does

pay for the speakers travel expenses and lunch. This is something you

already mentioned but should perhaps be considered, especially if it

turns out to be a non-NEOCAMS meeting(s).


I would suggest to anyone who wants to continue the discussion

regarding the Saturday meeting should take it up with the NEOCAMS

officers and members. Thanks.


Jack Sisler

OhioWx Group Moderator


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:43 am

Subject: Brr??


Think 17 was cold, it was 3 degree's colder then what I had here in

Putnam, Co.. Ended up with 20 Degree's. I guess those reading was taken

in a dip.

We are 740' below sea leave.

An are pretty well leavel here. Flat county's here. But more row type land is

more so East & to the South of us. Isn't that where alot of storm's & snow

come in at?????????


Putnam, Co.


Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:54 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Brr??


Hi Phil;

I think you mean that you are 740' above sea level?

My morning low yesterday morning was 20 degrees. Not the coldest this season, as

that was on Sunday morning with 19 degrees.

Take care and keep posting!!

Don Keating



Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:00 pm

Subject: Changes On The Way




Was just looking at some models for the next 24-36 hour time period

and it looks like "Ohio reality" may be setting in.


The maps have an intensifying surface low tracking thru the eastern

Great Lakes with an associated cold front tomorrow night. By Thursday

morning the low deepens to 984 mb (29.06")over southeastern Ontario.


I'll make a the call that there will be wind advisories up by late

tomorrow and some snowbelt communities will have six or more inches

of snow by late Thursday.


Other predictions?



Wooster 7N



Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:18 am

Subject: Wild Day Ahead


First possible severe thunderstorms, then high winds, then possibly the

first snow of the year. As far as the rest of the month goes, I keep

reading about the lack of sustained cold from various forecasting sources,

but this is only November. It has rarely been truly cold for any extended

period of time in this month. I don't see any real extended warmth either.

Looks more like a near normal rest of the month to me.




Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:18 am

Subject: Hocking Co. Rainfall.


Total rainfall for the 24 hours through 6:00 a.m. today(Wed., Nov.12)at

my weather station here in northwest Hocking County was 1.77". There was

a thunderstorm just after midnight.

Jim Fry

Rockbridge 4W

OWON #33



Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:14 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Hocking Co. Rainfall.



In central Fairfield county I got .55

today(through 11:00 AM) and .62 yesterday. Jim I did

notice that the Hocking River seemed high all through

Hocking County, and north of Nelsonville they had out

the high water signs for US 33. Hope we don't get to

much this afternoon.




Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:57 am

Subject: Re: Changes On The Way


Jon and Group:


That may be an understatement, especially in regards to the wind.


I was just looking at the 12z ETA model and it has the Low center's

locations and pressure for the following times:


1001 mb (29.56") @12z (7 a.m.) Wednesday over eastern Minnesota

984 mb (29.06") @ 06z (1 a.m.) Thursday northeast of Lake Huron

970 mb (28.64") @ 12z (7 a.m.) Thursday north of Lake Ontario


That's a one-inch (29.56" to 28.64") pressure drop in 24 hours!!


Other than the prediction for some possible severe storms later this

afternoon I kind of look for a greater chance of possible widespread

wind damage for later tonight through tomorrow with just the pressure

gradiant of the low itself.


Everyone might want to keep an eye on their barometers/barographs and

watch for some impressive pressure drops. Other comments?



Wooster 7N


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:27 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Changes On The Way


Jack and Group:

Such low pressures as you mentioned,

are especially impressive, because on the 9th we were

having some of the highest barometers seen in a couple

years for some people.


The weekly barometer graphs for the past week and this

one should be interesting.




Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:57 pm

Subject: Snap, Crackle & POP!!



I, like many of you, I'm sure, have been watching with amazement the watches popping up everywhere dealing with

winds, tornadic possibilities and thunderstorms possibly becoming severe. My pressure here at Newcomerstown has

dropped from 29.82 at noon to 29.71 at 4 p.m. I have a hunch it'll begin falling even sharper in a bit.

Does anyone see any similarities between this possible severe outbreak compared to November 10, 2002? And isn't

it eerie the two events being almost exactly a year apart? Comments, questions??

Don Keating


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:33 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Tornado Touchdown NorthEast of Wooster / Damage around Orrville...


Reports of damage and power outages near Wooster

and damage reports in or near Orrville being ]

heard on 147.210 MHz...


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:02 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Snap, Crackle & POP!!


Don and List:

The similarities between this event and last year crossed my mind too. I don't think it got quite as warm

today as last year (at least not here in Ravenna). As I recall that storm had a lot of wind behind it too. I'm

not sure how much of it matches up but it seems the storms formed along a similar axis at about the

same time of day and in eastern Indiana, western Ohio. It got pretty cloudy here right after lunch and it did

not get any warmer than 64 on my thermometer. That may have helped some. As I write this, I just noted

that there was evidently a report of a tornado touchdown near Wooster (hope Jack is ok). The storms

came through Ravenna between 7:15 to 7:45 and a Thunderstorm warning was issued on the tail end of

that for Portage. I don't think I heard any thunder or saw any lightning up to this point. The storm did come

thru with some wind, I don't have an anemometer but I am guessing the winds were 40 - 45 mph. Maybe

Rich got a reading. I think we lucked out.

Gary L

Ravenna 1SE


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:24 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Snap, Crackle & POP!!


I recall that last year's temps were near 70 (I can't remember

over/under, but I felt warm and knew it was going to be bad.) It was

also extremely humid and sticky for my tastes. Today just didn't feel

as bad.


I also didn't see the HUGE bow echo I saw last year. There seemed to

be a small amount of bowing when the apex was crossing through Sandusky

County, but there wasn't a solid line of storms. I was VERY anxious

last year because the storms just kept coming and keeping the same

strength almost until they reached Cuyahoga County. IMHO, the tornado

that hit Solon/Twinsburg was the "last gasp" of the storms.


Hope everyone's OK, we just got some heavy rain and gusts here in

University Circle (44106) Cleveland.





Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:28 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Snap, Crackle & POP!!


Gary and List,

I also hope Jack is OK. I am sure he will have some

good things to write about in his e-mail. I was

thinking about heading down that way, but being it was

night time, I played it safe and watched it on TV5.

As for Ravenna 1E Gary, I had a high wind gust of 21

@ 739pm with 0.08" of rain,with no thunder or

lightning,total rainfall today was 0.24", and my high

was 65.


Rich Rabatin

Ravenna 1E


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:38 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Snap, Crackle & POP!!



Hello. I'm sure Jack's fine. Heck, he might have got some rope and wrangled that twister! LOL. I had a high gust of

26 mph and heard thunder one time. Rainfall from the line was 0.19". Nothing to write home about, that's for sure.

Total rain for the date has been 0.69".

Last year on November 10'th I had a high temperature of 71 degrees. Sitting at 58 currently with winds from the

WSW at 22 mph. Pressure is 29.63" and dropping again. It jumped about .04" as the line of T' Showers moved


More later.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:50 pm

Subject: reports


WOW!!!!!!!!What a even...........Hail as big as golf ball just south of Continental, Oh., but it didn't last

long........NO precip. here when the storm went over. But the winds sure pick up.........

We had a wind gust of 55 M.P.H. at 8:30 p.m.. N.O.A.A. radio just keep going off. From 5:00 p.m. onto 6


We ended up with these figure's for today.

Hi 61F

Low 34F

Present(at 9:30 p.m.) 41F

Precip. 0.30"

Winds WSW-14G-55

Thunderstorm early a.m.

At 9:30 p.m. it was Cldy..

Baro. was at 29.44R 0.06"

Oh, by the was he was right I am above sea level. 740'!


Putnam, Co.


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:54 pm

Subject: Tornado in Wooster!




Saw some video on FOX 8 tonight of the tornado in Wooster and it

looks like it was a bad one. The Rubbermaid factory is heavily

damaged and several homes were reported leveled.


Bombogenesis taking place over the eastern Great Lakes. Pressure

gradient rapidly tightening over Great Lakes & Upper Ohio Valley.

Winds currently WSW at 24 MPH gusting to 41 MPH (at 10:45 PM) and

have gusted as high as 43 MPH at 9:42 PM. Squall line came through

here without much notice. Only picked up 0.03 inch of rain from it

(0.19 inch for the day counting the early morning showers) and I

didn't observe any thunder or lightning.


Wouldn't be surprised to see some wind gusts to near 70 MPH near the

Lake Erie Shoreline later tonight/early Thursday!!


Matt Higgins

Lodi 2S


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:20 pm

Subject: Preliminary Report for Wooster




All is well here at home. Did a lot of praying. Power here went out

about 7 p.m. and didn't return until about 10 pm. Areas in Wooster

don't expect power back until late Thursday. The closest my home was

to the path was about three or four miles to my south. Couldn't see

anything because it was totally dark.


The tornado hit about the same time the power went out. It supposidly

began about one mile west of Wooster and continued east almost

through the center of town and toward the east side where the damage

was sustained to the Rubbermaid plant. I surveyed some of the damage

by the Rubbermaid plant about a half hour after the tornado hit. This

evenings news didn't really show it all. I saw several power poles

sheared in half, numerous trees down, and debris everywhere. There

was a semi truck flipped on its side on the bypass just south of the

Rubbermaid plant.


There are reports of additional damage to homes in Wooster as well as

to the fairgrounds. A few other businesses had their roofs blown off.

Many plants have cancelled their third shift and schools are closed

for tomorrow. Only minor injuries have been reported and law

enforement officials are asking people to stay off the roadways.


Hope to have more details and pictures tomorrow which I will upload.


Jack Sisler

Wooster 7N


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:41 pm

Subject: Message from a 2way device


Group, Here in Springfield, all we're getting

is the wind. It just gusted to 50 m.p.h. at 11:19 pm.

Check the data updated every half hour at

Jack. I'm glad you survived the storm. I cann't imagine how bad

it is there. Dick Groeber.


Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:42 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Preliminary Report for Wooster



GREAT to hear you're ok bud!! Now, do you think by what you seen the tornado had winds up to 150 mph? I aks

this because a reporter for WEWS did mention moments ago that the winds were around 150. I thought the NWS

needed to do a survey of the damage by air and on the ground?

Now another question. I understand through the same news channel that a tornado touched down near Dover, just up

I-77 from me. I know the NWS at PGH had Tuscarawas county under a severe T' Storm WARNING until about

8:15 p.m., but I hadn't heard a thing about a Tornado WARNING. Even if doppler indicated, why not issue the

warning? I'll wait til tomorrow to hear what is reported about a Tornado touchdown in Tuscarawas county, if anyone

follows up on it.

Don Keating



From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:52 am

Subject: temperature's



Our first below reading temperature's.

At 5:48 a.m. the outside air tempeature is showing -5F

below zero.

with a wind chill of -40F.

Winds are still blowing strong out of the WSW -11-20




Putnam, Co.


Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:46 am



This morning saw a lot of branches/limbs down between Stow and Kent State.

A lot of debris in streets that came from trash cans, etc., that I had to

maneuver around. My rain gauge blew over but don't think I lost anything

out of it - will measure tonight.


Carol Hughes

Stow 1SE


Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:33 am

Subject: Flakey


Hello List;

At 9:52 a.m. this morning, November 13, 2003, I observed the first flakes of the 2003 - 04 season. However, I only

dropped to a low temperature so far of 35 degrees.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:10 am

Subject: mistake!


Whoops.................I made a BIG mistake.

Found out that my unit was NOT cal. right.

So that reading I told you last night WAS NOT the low temperature for the day.

I just re-cal. my unit. Hopefully it will stay re-cal. Sorry about that folk's...........


Putnam, Co.


Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:24 pm

Subject: Tuscarawas county storm


Hello List;

I decided this morning to head up to the New Philadelphia area and see if I could find the location of the wind

damage or tornado from last night. After getting to the area I realized my batteries in my digital camera were

drained, so I went to the local store and purchased more. I got the batteries in the camera, turned it on, and in 30

seconds they died! So I put the other batteries in the camera and they too died in 30 seconds! Musta been a bad pack.

At any rate, I went to the location. I didn't press my luck trying to get past the Tuscarawas county sheriff crusier

blocking the road, so I pulled to the side and looked at what damage I could.

To my right (north side of the road) I spotted many trees, of which had the top 1/3 of the trees snapped off. I also

spotted many roofing shingles in a yard to the left (south side of the road) but as I said, I didn't venture any further. I

know I wasn't able to see the destroyed houses because they were further back.

From what little I was able to see, my best guess would be that it was NOT a tornado. Just watch FOX 8 this

evening and you'll see alot of video of the storm damage there in Dover township.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 4:47 pm

Subject: Wooster Update




I thank Pat for the post confirming it was an F2 tornado that went

through Wooster. I've been busy most of the day taking and editing

pictures of the damage. I have begun uploading some pictures and will

continue to do so. Look under the folder "Wooster Storm" in the

Photos section. There should be a total of about 30 pictures when I'm

done. Please keep checking back.


Even though the NWS states the path may have been 50 to 125 yards

wide, I think it would be safe to say damage was in an area from one-

half to three-quarters of a mile wide. Power is still out in certain

areas and some roads are still closed in Wooster itself. Other than

structural damage to businesses and homes and power lines/poles being

down, the tree damage is something beyond words. I think I could

safely say the number of trees down are in the thousands. Many of

these were at least fifty feet high and in sound condition. Some of

the sheet metal from the businesses overlapped the power lines in

various areas. Insulation and other trash is everywhere. There was

also damage at the College of Wooster, including many of their trees

and some of the smaller homes in the area they use for student

housing. I was not able to get into that area since they had it

pretty well sealed off.


I think it's going to take several weeks to get everything cleaned

up> Power companies and tree crews from the outside were helping with

the cleanup.


I will provide updates as they become available.


Jack Sisler

Wooster 7N

Wayne County


Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:13 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Wooster Update


--- meso1us <> wrote:


> Even though the NWS states the path may have been 50 to 125 yards

> wide, I think it would be safe to say damage was in an area from one-

> half to three-quarters of a mile wide.


Perhaps the person who said 50-125 yards is describing the F2 damage

path rather than the entire width of the damaged area.





Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:43 pm

Subject: Dover TWP F-2 Tornado --- Preliminary


Hello List;

As i mentioned earlier, I was not able to get far into the damage area near New Philadelphia [ Dower Township ]

today, but I will be going tomorrow with fresh batteries for the digital camera and vhs-c camcorder. The following

was posted by the NWS at PGH, which has jurisdiction over Tuscarawas county.



111 PM EST THU NOV 13 2003











I'm very interested to see this damage up close, and I will tomorrow. At the same time, I feel bad for those who

suffered damage. All I can say is thank God there was apparently no loss of life anywhere in Ohio from these


Located below you will see a map I did showing the location of the tornado compared to my location. This tornado

touched down about 16 miles NNE of Newcomerstown. My house is where the blue push pin is and the tornado

touchdown is represented [appx] with the purple tornado on the map. [Sorry, it's the only color available]. Click on

the image to view the full size. More later.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:56 pm

Subject: Ravenna 1E Winds



First off, good pictures Jack, and I am glad you are safe and


Here at Ravenna 1E, this morning I had a high wind gust of 62mph

at 137am. Since I had several brief outages, the computer I have my

Wx station on shut down, and could not record my readings on Weather

Underground until I reset the computer at 515 am. So I had to

scroll through my control panel to find the high gust. The wind

gust tore off the gutter on the front of my house on the 2nd floor.

The storm last night came through Ravenna with little fanfare.

Once again, glad you made it safe through the tornado Jack.


Rich Rabatin

Ravenna 1E

Portage County


Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:18 pm

Subject: Lodi 2S Wind Gust & Wooster Tornado


Hi Group:


The peak wind gust today at Lodi 2S was 49 MPH at 7:50 AM. The wind

was strong enough to blow down a dead tree at the back of my lot.

Other than that I was hard pressed to find any damage of consequence

in the local area.


Jack, I'm glad to see that you made it through the "Wooster Tornado"

without a scratch! Wayne county seems to be a magnet for November

tornadoes as of late (West Salem-Burbank on Nov. 10th last year and

now Wooster yesterday). Who needs to live in Oklahoma?! I'm

curious, did you observe any lightning from the storm that passed

through your area yesterday evening. I was observing from up here

in the Lodi/Burbank area and I couldn't see any from my vantage

point looking down your way about the time the tornado struck. I

figured that the tornado passed about 15 miles south of me but I

didn't think that the visibility was so poor that I couldn't see

distant lightning. Again, just curious!


Take Care,

Matt Higgins


From: eobic <>

Date: Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:16 pm

Subject: Report on Tuscarawas County F2 Tornado




628 PM EST THU NOV 13 2003



































APRIL 13 1952 F1

MARCH 11 1955 F2

JULY 22 1958 F3

MAY 8 1961 F1

JUNE 25 1968 F1

JULY 10 1973 F0

JUNE 7 1978 F1

JUNE 7 1980 F1






TIME - 800 PM










Date: Fri Nov 14, 2003 11:32 am

Subject: Wooster Update




Here is some additional information regarding the damage and a few



1. Three dozen homes sustained damage

2. Eleven to fifteen industries had substantial damage. Some

buildings totally destroyed.

3. At the Wayne County Maintainance Building large snowplows were

picked up and tossed from the tornado. One inch tree limbs were

sticking through the building.

4. Total damage will likely be in the millions city-wide

5. Part of the tornado's path took it between two grade schools (with

a combined enrollment of almost 500 kids) with only minor damage to

the schools.

6. I saw national media coverage of the Wooster tornado on MSNBC, Fox

News and TWC (The Weather Channel)


I took some additional pictures this morning and hope to have them

uploaded shortly. Some additional streets have opened but some are

still closed.


Will have more to post later I'm sure. I have saved copies of the

local newspaper articles and pictures as well as pictures from my

35mm camera of the damage. Will try to put all this together in a

more organized manner for everyone to see at a later date (NEOCAMS

meeting, get-together, etc.)


Jack Sisler

Wooster 7N

Wayne County


Date: Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:07 pm

Subject: New Philadelphia, Ohio Tornado Information


Hello Everyone;

I went to the New Philadelphia, Ohio [Dover Township] tornado location this morning. Had I seen the damage

yesterday that I seen today, I would not have hesitated for a moment on whether or not it was a tornado or strong

winds that went through the area. I have uploaded 18 photos to the group photos section. I have also creature a link

right underneath my title graphic on my home page where you can click on the link to read a brief summation, see

the NWS report on the tornado, see the 18 photos and a map of the location as well as links to four newspaper

articles near the bottom of the report. Go to and just below where

it says where you are, you'll see the link. Click it to get to the report. In short, I was amazed at what I observed.

Don Keating,

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:31 pm

Subject: Re: Lodi 2S Wind Gust & Wooster Tornado




At first, I was going to say I saw one "flash" of lightning to my

southwest. However, I recall NOT hearing any thunder, especially at

that distance. My instincts tell me it was not thunder but a power

flash from one of the transformers that were hit when the tornado was

entering the west side of Wooster. I did see lightning to the east

and southeast after the storm cleared the area. That was somewhat

eerie also because you would see lightning toward the bottom half of

the horizon and a moon/stars at the top half of the sky.


Also, my wife works with this woman who lives by Rubbermaid but was

not hit by the tornado. Her house is near railroad tracks. Of course

if you have lived near railroad tracks for any length of time you

become accustomed to the noise when a train goes by. This time she

said she heard the "roar" of what she thought was just another train

going through. A split-second later though she was saying to

herself, "there was no whistle with that train! She immediately

headed toward the basement!! My wife says she still gets upset when

she talks about it.



Wooster 7N


Date: Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:45 pm

Subject: Re: New Philadelphia, Ohio Tornado Information


Don and group:

The only good thing, is that it appears, according to

pictures and the map, to be out in the "country", and not in New

Philadelphia corp. And, like it usually is when there are tornado

damage pictures, it looked like a beautiful day, blue sky etc...



Lancaster 3NE


Date: Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:50 pm

Subject: Preliminary Damage Figures on Wooster Tornado




Although I've heard a few different damage estimates, they are all

around the estimate of 15 million dollars. At first this may seem

kind of high but, considering that it appears the major damage was on

the west side of Wooster, it doesn't surprise me. Many of the

industrial plants are located on the west side. Damage and/or loss

was not only to the structure itself but to the machinery and

contents within.



Wooster 7N


Date: Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:54 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: New Philadelphia, Ohio Tornado Information



I should state that the pictures on the report I posted today were taken today, not Wednesday. On Wednesday, for the

most part, it was a cloudy day here in Tuscarawas county, with only a few peeks of sunshine now and then. It was in

a typical "rural" area when it hit. Had it waited another minute to develope, it would have been a much worse

situation, similar to the Wooster situation.

Don Keating


Date: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:20 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Lodi 2S Wind Gust & Wooster Tornado


Jack & List:

Glad to hear you are ok. The story about the train tracks is interesting becuase when I was growing up we

lived between two sets of tracks. I can't tell you how many stormy nights I spent hearing trains and

wondering if they were trains. We have a railroad near where we live now and I find myself wondering the

same thing some times. Just wondering with all these comments about lack of lightning and thunder, what

the chances are of having a "storm" spawn a tornado without lightning and thunder? I wouldn't think that it

would be very likely at all. Any thoughts from others?

Gary L

Ravenna 1SE


Date: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:31 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Lodi 2S Wind Gust & Wooster Tornado


Hi Gary;

Wednesday night as the line was passing here, I only heard a faint clap of thunder once. No lightning at all. And I'm

just 16 miles SSW of where the tornado in Tuscarawas county first touched down. I thought it was kind of strange as

well with all of the severe T' Storm warnings that were issued.

Don Keating


Date: Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:29 am

Subject: Re: Lodi 2S Wind Gust & Wooster Tornado


Here at my place in Thompson 5 SW, I had a tree uprooted and fallen

into the front yard. Its crown fell over my new weather tower still

under contruction. Remarkably didn't seem to damage the anemometer,

which is already installed on the tower (it hadn't been working due

to unrelated problems). Some other smaller trees were felled in the

woods also. By the Beaufort Scale this indicates winds of around 60

mph. No thunder here-just a lot of wind and 1 inch of snow.




Date: Sat Nov 15, 2003 8:01 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Lodi 2S Wind Gust & Wooster Tornado


Jack (and Group):

The really scary thing about the "non-existance" of lightning and thunder is that it would take people that much

longer to catch on to the fact that a tornado was bearing down on them. If it wasn't for the sound of the wind, your

wife wouldn't have been tipped off. Not only that, it took her a few seconds to realize that it WASN'T a train..that's a

few seconds someone else may not have had. In a "textbook" tornadic situation (or as we think of one), there is

usually quite a bit of lightning & thunder activity to alert one to pay close attention to the weather. To add insult to

injury the storm struck after sunset (it was dark) so visual observation of the sky was difficult & couldn't really be

used effectively as an early warning device. Albeit, there was a Tornado Watch issued by SPC and the CLE NWS

did issue a Tornado Warning for Wayne Co. (but I'm afraid that the warning may have been issued "too late" for fault of the takes time to dissemenate the information).

In summary, I'm surprised that the impact on human (& animal) life wasn't greater considering those factors.

Matt Higgins


Date: Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:25 pm

Subject: Tornado Info for Ohio Weather Journal




Ron Hahn, editor and publisher of the Ohio Weather Journal, called me

last night to say he wants to write an article about the Wooster

tornado and perhaps the one in Tuscarawas County.


I've put together quite a bit of information (photographs, maps,

articles, etc.) but I need some help in getting a copy of a radar

picture around the 7 p.m EST Nov. 12 (00z Nov 13) time frame. I

suppose a short range base reflectivity picture would be good but

I'll take what anybody can get. Also, an infrared satellite picture

about the same time period would be nice.


Please send it to my personal email; Ron doesn't

have an email address which is why I'm asking for the information.

Would like to have something sometime next week if possible.





Wooster 7N


Date: Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:28 pm

Subject: Storms and Wooster Tornado




I had at least half a dozen lightning flashes/thunder at my place in


Parma when the storms went through last Wednesday. They were quite noticeable

since it had gotten dark. At least one strike was close as the thunder was


loud and quick. Of course Parma is a long way from Wooster. It was my day


The NWS tornado warning for Wayne County was issued at 644 PM and the tornado

supposedly touched down at 7 PM for a 16 minute lead time.


Jim Kosarik NWS Cleveland


Date: Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:43 pm

Subject: Additional Tornado Damage Photos Available to View


Hello Everyone;

I discovered the Times Reporter newspaper has a special photo section of tornado damage in the Dover Township

area. I have placed a direct link to that photo section on my special report page at . You may scroll down near the bottom and click the link

where it says *Added 11/17/2003. An yes, that is snow in the air and on the ground.

Don Keating,



Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:50 am

Subject: Looks like things might be changing


Looks like we might be in for about 2 more big rainstorms, todays and

another one coming in about 7-10 days. Most models seem to be hinting that

after the second of these two, our warmer weather might be ending for

awhile. Not sure of the details, but it would be toward the end of the

month, after Thanksgiving. Overall, so far, the month has been only

slightly above normal up to this point, even after the near record warm

start. In the short term, a lot of rain today and tonight, watch out for

some flooding.




Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:43 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Looks like things might be changing


Hello Jon and List;

I concour with you about at least one more rain storm, and that'll be tonight through the first part of tomorrow. I

disagree, though, about the "warmer" temperatures changing. I have heard a forecaster on a Columbus TV station

advertise two big "snow" events in the past two weeks. The first of these two events was to be this event arriving

today through tomorrow. Now, that same forecaster is advertising a snow event around the time of Thanksgiving.

This time of the year, or any time of the winter season, I just don't see how one can forecast a major event including

snow seven to 10 days in advance. I guess they can get away with it because the general public lives in the "present"

generally speaking.

I've also heard a Cleveland forecaster go way overboard on at least two events, in the short term forecasts. One even

went as far as to predict at least four inches of lake effect after the last cold front moved through (last Wednesday

night) when the most I seen reported the next day was just one to two inches.

Long story short, on the 10 day outlooks I've seen, I do see a cool down, but nothing significant. Snow? Sure, it's

November. Important snows... I won't stick my neck out that far, lol. Just my opinions, nothing personal.

Don Keating


Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:06 pm

Subject: Photo submission...


Hello Everyone;

I thought I'd let you know about some good news I received today. Back on November 4'th I submitted a photo I

took of the brilliant sunset the cloud layers from Isabel made over Newcomerstown. Well, today I received this e-

mail, in part....

I am pleased to announce that your picture has been used in one of the WeatherMatrix Calendars for 2004. Due to

the number and resolution of submissions, three calendars were created, a 12-month 12-page Calendar and two 1-

page Calendar Prints with 12 smaller photos each. Your photo was accepted for the:


1-Page Calendar Print


I thank you again for your submission and for helping WeatherMatrix achieve its goals in 2004. 100% of profits

from the sale of these calendars will go to support the WeatherMatrix website.

The photo is attached below.

Take care everyone,

Don Keating


Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:49 pm

Subject: Thanks




I'd like to say thanks to many of you in two ways. First, to all

those who have contacted me during the past week regarding the status

of my well-being and safety of my family and I after the Wooster

tornado and second, to those who have helped provide me with

information on the tornado (images, pictures, etc.).


I have gathered a great deal of information on the "Wooster Tornado"

and will be providing Ron Hahn with copies for an article he will be

doing on the storms of November 12 in an issue of the "Ohio Weather

Journal". (The next issue I think). As soon as things settle down I

hope to put some additional information (radar images, more damage

photos, etc)in the photos and files sections.


Please remember if any of you have anything of interest in your

own "backyard" take advantage of the sections on the left.


Thanks again.



Wooster 7N



Date: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:25 pm

Subject: Enjoy It While You Can




Mean temperatures have been running almost six degrees above normal

for the month. I had a high of 63 today which was one degree below

the record high of 64 set in 1999.


On another note regarding the Wooster tornado. Damage estimates are

now up to 20 million dollars. It doesn't appear their will be any

disaster relief coming from the state or federal governments because

many of the victims have enough insurance to cover the damages. It's

still a miracle that there were no serious injuries or deaths.



Wooster 7N


Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:57 pm

Subject: Ohio NWS forecast discussions (comparison)


Hello, everyone,

I just read the afternoon (Saturday) forecast discussions from the Cleveland and Wilmington NWS offices. The one

from Cleveland is four lines long and the one from Wilmington is five paragraphs long. The discussions are

available from the respective NWS Web sites or at

From reading NWS forecast discussions for several years, the early-morning and afternoon discussions are usually

lengthy, because the forecaster is interpreting the 00Z and 12Z model runs, respectively. The late-morning and

evening discussions tend to be shorter, more of an update.

It would be nice to have read a more lengthy discussion from Cleveland, especially considering that a strong cold

front will cross the state tomorrow night and early Monday and there is the potential of severe thunderstorms.

I would appreciate if anyone else would share his/her thoughts.

Shawn Trueman

Huron, OH


Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:23 pm

Subject: So Far .....


Today's high of 69 made this the 11'th day in November with a high of 60 or higher. There have been three days of

70 or higher and one day of 80 or higher. Boy, I hope ol Mother Nature doesn't decide to wallop us later but I fear

that she might. What do you all say?

Don Keating,



Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:21 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] So Far .....


I think we're going to get zapped, Don. It's just been too darn nice.


After a high of 70 yesterday, we're at 45.1 with a wind chill of 34 now.

Temperature has been dropping 3-4 degrees an hour. A bit of snow is still

in the forecast for this afternoon.



Middletown OH


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:02 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] So Far .....


I go along with Barb. It's been to nice for this time of year. Yesterday

we had a Hi tempeature of 67F & right now the temperature been dropping off

.3-.5 a degree within the last 1/2 hour. Just momment ago it was 30F Now

its 29.2F & con't. to drop.....We had some snow shower's this morning with a

Tr. on the ground by 8 a.m. For a while there, I thought we might get .5 or

so, cause it was really coming down. The winds so far been up to 32 M.P.H.,

but I have taller trees to the west & to the North here. So the winds could

be higher. Great thing oh, the baro. is on the way up, at 29.59R .06", but

the temperature is on the way DOWN.

Here is what we have so far today.

Hi-61.6F@10:50 p.m. yesterday

Low-29.1F right now

Precip. 0.28"

Snowfall Tr.

Winds WSW-15


Putnam, Co.


Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:09 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] So Far .....


"Boy, I hope ol Mother Nature doesn't

decide to wallop us later but

I fear that she might.


What do you all say?"



I say, if God (KJV) desires to judge (wallop)

us later, He will.



- Patrick


Date: Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:19 am

Subject: Re: Ohio NWS forecast discussions (comparison)


Shawn and Group:


I've always thought Wilmington's forecast discussions were longer

than Cleveland's most of the time but I didn't know if it was just me

or what. As you say, anything that usually comes out late morning or

early afternoon are just updates.


I think many times it will depend on the time factor. If a particular

day is exceedingly busy because of severe weather or behind schedule

it probably cuts down on their time element to get something out in

an alloted time period.


Maybe Jim Kosarik from the NWS Cleveland will comment.



Wooster 7N


Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:14 pm

Subject: Weather Calendars Available


Hello Everyone;

I received word this morning that the 2004 weather calendars from Weather Matrix are now available. You can go to

for complete ordering information. The calendars do look nice, and no, that's not a biast opinion because my photo is

used. They do look good and have some impressive photos on them. Take care everyone and Happy Thanksgiving

to you and yours.

Don Keating


Date: Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:07 pm

Subject: Re: Weather Calendars Available




In case you can't locate Don's photo easily on the Weather Matrix

website, it will be in Group # 2. I just ordered mine.




Date: Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:14 am

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List, From Springfield, Ohio.

The first measureable snowfall of the season fell here last night from

minight to 5 a.m. totaling 1.7 inches melted to .09 inches water. Winds


to 31 m.p.h. blowing the snow. Dick Groeber.


Date: Sat Nov 29, 2003 1:48 pm

Subject: First measureable snowfall of the season at Lodi 2S




The first measureable (accumulating) snow of the season occurred at

Lodi 2S last night. 0.4 inch of snow fell during the 24-hour period

ending at 8 AM today.


Matt Higgins

Lodi 2S


Date: Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:05 pm

Subject: Snow in Ravenna



As of 9 AM Saturday morning, I had measured 4" of snowfall since Friday evening (same amount on the

ground). My total precipitation for the 24 hr period ending at 9 AM Saturday was 1.07". This was also my

first measurable snowfall of the season.

Gary Locke

Ravenna 1SE

OWON #120


Date: Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:35 am

Subject: Re: Forecast Discussion




There was some brief discussion last week about the length of the NWS


discussion. I believe there is a trend for shorter NWS discussions and it

probably is more evident at CLE than some other sites (we tend to have more

weather than some sites away from the lakes).


We have been tasked with doing the forecast graphically (you can see the

experimental graphics on our web site and on some national NWS sites). This


consumed a lot more of our time. Unfortunately other products due at the same

time have suffered (in my opinion) because our time is limited. Some folks



thrown out a few thoughts in their discussion and not spent the time they may

have previously.


There is little guidance in creating the forecast discussion. It is different


office and by forecaster. This will always be the case to some extent. I will

pass on your concerns to the staff. I believe the discussion is one of our


important products but some forecasters do not, they would rather devote


time to the forecast. It is a valid argument. Hopefully we can find some

compromise. As long as the NWS keeps asking us to do more with less staff


are new staff cutbacks proposed as we speak) I am afraid that our products


service in general will suffer.


Jim Kosarik

NWS Cleveland









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