Cincinnati 5NW (Ronald Rothhaas Jr) - February was very warm, averaging an astounding nearly 7 degrees above normal.  Snowfall was slightly above normal but rainfall, at 1.55 inches, was just over 50% of normal.  While the biggest 24 hour precipitation event of the month was only 0.27 inches, it seemed moist at times.  11 days saw fog during the month and residual moisture from December and January precipitation left soils soggy.

CLEVES 3 NW (James F. Davis) - Feb. ended up 3.5 degree's above normal
with below normal rain's.

Kent 2W (Eric Wertz) -  February was characterized by average temperatures and average precipitation.  Temperatures were as warm as 61F on the 15th and as cold as 8F on both the 18th and 25th.  Measurable precipitation was noted on 15 days with the greatest liquid equivalnet amount in 24 hours of 0.48" on the 8th.  Snowfall was near normal this month with 9.1" recorded.  measuravble snowfall occurred on 10 days with the snowiest period being the 16th-18th with a toatl of 3.8".  Glaze was noted on the 20th and 21st and ice pellets also mixed in on the 20th.  High wind gusts were below average with the highest wind gust only reaching 29mph on the 14th.  Four advisories/watches were issued this month. 

Kidron 1N (Ronald Hahn) -  February had an average temperature more than 2 degrees above normal, but liquid precipitation was .07" below normal.  Snowfall was close to the average for the month, though all but 1" of it fell during the last 14 days of the month.

Newcomerstown 1S (Don Keating) -  The average high was +0.1 degrees; the average low was -0.3 degrees and the mean temperature was -0.1 degrees, or in other words, the temperatures were basically normal. However, snowfall and precipitation totals were below normal. Snowfall was -3.0" and precipitation was -1.00". Quite a contrast from January, which was well above normal in precipitation amounts. It wasn't a particularly windy month. I'm really surprised temperatures didn't average higher than they did, as it seemed milder than normal much of the month. Seasonal snowfall (04-05) through February 28th 2005 has been just 21.2". What does March have in store for us?

Ottawa 4E (Phil & Bonnie Higley) -  As a whole we were 3F warmer for Feb. & 1.94" below normal for precip.. This been one month for getting the flue & colds.  Started out cold & by the middle of the month sure got warm then cold again.  A up & down month.

Perrysville 4W (Katie Gerwig) -  February had near normal precip and slightly above normal temperatures.  A very damp month with much fog during the first week.  A least a trace of snow cover on 15 days with 13 overcast days.  Significant sun on only 5 days.

Ravenna 1SE (Gary Locke)  -  February was not a significantly snowy or wet month.  Temperature wise, February 2005 was very similar to last year but was wetter and snowier than last year.  My total snowfall for the season at the end of the month was 48.6".

Springfield (Dick Groeber) - Temperatures were coolest during the first and last thirds of the month and warmest during the middle third. Precipitation was mostly light with scattered snowfall.

Thompson 5SW (Vance Lunn)-

Wooster 7N (Jack Sisler) - 
 

 = Airport         

 Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 11:49 am
Subject: January in Newcomerstown

Average High was 39.9 degrees or 2.6 degrees above normal.
Average Low was 23.0 degrees or 3.6 degrees above normal.
Mean Temperature was 31.5 degrees or 3.1 degrees above normal.
Highest High was 72 on the 13th
Lowest Low was -7 on the 24th.
There were three lows of below zero.
Precipitation totaled 7.45" or 4.21" above normal.
Snowfall totaled 13.3" or 2.3" above normal.
Precipitation fell on 18 days.
Snowfall of 1" or more fell on five days.
Maximum 24 HR rainfall was 2.15" on the 5th.
Maximum 24 HR snowfall was 3.7" on the 19th-20th.
Average high wind gust was 16.2 mph.
Highest gust was 32 mph on the 13th.
Thunder was obseverd on two days (11th and 12th) and there was an incredible
temperature span of 80 degrees from
the highest high to the lowest low.
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

From: "Phillip Higley"  
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 12:21 pm
Subject: monthly data

Higley Station Monthly For Jan. 05
4-E Ottawa, Ohio 730' Above Sea Leave
Lat. 41-01-18 Long 83 59 00 Taken @ 9:30 P.M.(Eastern Standard time)

Ave. Max.; 33.0F Highest was 64F on the 12th
Ave. Minn.;18.0F Lowest was -3F on the 18, 23, 27 & 31
Ave. Temp.; 25.5F
Precip.; 6.45"/ 24 hours 1.47" on the 12th
Snowfall; 15.3"/ 24 hours 6.00" on the 22nd
Highest Baro.; 30.63" on the 18th
Lowest Baro.; 29.14" on the 19th
Highest Wind Gust 42 M.P.H. on the 13th
Day's with Precip.; 17
Above Normal by 1F (Normal is 24.5F)
Below Normal by 1.93" (Normal is 7.11")
#15
4-E
Putnam, Co.


From: ymsgr:sendIM?brothhaasymsgr:sendIM?brothhaas"Bridget and Ron"
 
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 11:21 pm
Subject: HERE WE GO AGAIN


SILLY FORECASTS---THE RETURN!!!!!!!

PRODUCED BY NWS WILMINGTON

Wednesday Night: A slight chance of rain between 9pm and 1am, then a
chance of rain and snow, mainly between 1am and 2am, then a slight
chance of snow after 3am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 29. East
wind around 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%. New snow
accumulation of less than one inch possible.

Thursday: A slight chance of snow before 9am, then a slight chance of
rain and snow between 9am and noon, then a slight chance of rain
between noon and 1pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 39. Northeast
wind between 5 and 8 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 8:34 am
Subject: Wet January For Many


My total precipitation for January was 6.09 inches with 11.3 inches
of snow.

Jack
Wooster 7N

The following info was taken from a public information statement
from NWS Cleveland:

Cleveland

........3rd wettest January on record with 5.92 inches
........3rd snowiest January on record with 32.8 inches

Akron-Canton

........5th wettest January on record with 5.62 inches

Mansfield

........Wettest January on record with 6.08 inches

Toledo

........8th wettest January on record with 4.52 inches
........2nd snowiest January on record with 28.2 inches

Youngstown

........4th wettest January on record with 5.86 inches

Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 9:07 pm
Subject: Surprise


Snow all evening with bursts of heavy snow. NWS has totally missed
it. Even after I called them with a spotter report of 1.3 inches.
Roads are bad. The current short term forecast says a light
accumulation on grassy surfaces. I have an inch on my driveway and
street and more in the grass.

Ron Rothhaas
Cincinnati 5NW

Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Surprise

Ron;
Don't you think the NWS has missed alot of 'em this season? Nothing personal to
our friend in CLE but I mean,
geez. The big storm they predicted 6-12" of snow for us ended up being 3" with
freezing rain. That was from PGH,
not CLE, so there is no confusion. You are better tossing a coin, or better yet,
going the opposite of what is
predicted!
Don Keating

Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: Surprise


They finally got it right. By 10 PM when I had 1.7 inches they
updated the forecast to say 1 to 2 inches. Is that a forecast or a
storm report?

Ron

Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Surprise

LOL (Laughing Out Loud) sounds like a storm report! How much snow on the ground
down your way now Ron?
We still have about 4" here.
Don Keating
Newcomerstown

Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 8:31 am
Subject: Re: Surprise


As of last night all I had was 2 inches, and everyone was in
agreement that was it. I even saw an eroding area of snow in
Illinois and agreed it would likely not make it here. I woke up this
morning to moderate snow! We had another 1.8 inches this morning for
a storm total of 3.5 and 3 on the ground! All this with little
mention of snow in the forecast. In fact the revised morning
forecast was cloudy, no mention of snow ending, total accumulation,
or anything. Heck, 3.5 inches isn't too far from warning criteria.
Very wet and beautiful snow. Overnight low and current temp. only
31F and deep snow on every twig. Looks like one of those photos from
a Doyle Yoder Amish calender!

Ron Rothhaas
Cincinnati

Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 8:42 am
Subject: Twilight zone


Below I have copied the AM forecast discussion and forecast wording.
Question: The discussion says ppt ending by noon the some PM
sunshine. Some areas have had over 3 inches of snow. So how is the
wording of the forecast related to reality?

Ron

SHORT TERM (TODAY THROUGH SATURDAY)... UPR LVL TROF WAS CURRENTLY
PIVOTING ACRS THE CWFA. WEAK MID LVL DEFORMATION AXIS WAS STILL
PRODUCING A BAND OF PCPN...WHICH EXTENDS FROM NEAR KSDF...THEN NE
INTO SRN OHIO. AS UPR TROF PUSHES SE THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE
MORNING...EXPECT DEFORMATION BAND TO PIVOT WITH IT. ALL PCPN SHOULD
END BEFORE NOON. THEN...A WEAK RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD INTO
THE REGION FROM THE NW. SATELLITE IMAGERY WAS ALREADY SHOWING
CLEAR SKIES ACRS SRN MICHIGAN...NWRN INDIANA AND MOST OF ILLINOIS.
THIS CLEARING LINE WILL SLOWLY MAKE ITS WAY ACRS THE REGION
TODAY...SO MOST LOCATIONS WILL AT LEAST SEE SOME SUNSHINE.


Today: Cloudy, with a high around 40. North wind between 6 and 8 mph.


From: "Phillip Higley"  
Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 9:58 am
Subject: More FOG...

When I got up this morning, there it was again..FOG!
The school I drive for had a 2 hour delay, now they are CLOSED!
Yesterday we had FOG & the day before we had FOG.
We got down to 19F
After being up to 24F
Right now it's 20F With FOG!
Let's get's this FOG out of here...
The winds seem to be picking up, now they are out of the W-2 M.P.H.,
earlier they were calm...
I am still wanting on warmer weather. The N.W.S. been forecasting
temperature's in the low 30F, but it hasn't been getting out of the low 20F.
Want Warm Weather...
4-E
Putnam, Co.

Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 2:02 pm
Subject: Sawmill effect

Just got done from a tour of the Mansfield area with my Mom (she lives
in Delaware CO)

I was so surprised at the number of trees still in yards from our ice
storm.

There were numberous crews doing the wood chipping job.

It's going to take a long, long time before this area recovers from the
storm.

I can't remember if I told this group, but they are just now opening
some of those state routes that flooded over after the meltdown occured
after the 23 inches of snow, the ice storm and the 4.1 inches of rain
that fell in such a short time.

Ah, life in the fun center of OH.

Pam in Richland Co

Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 2:43 pm
Subject: MORE TWILIGHT ZONE


Below is the midday forecast discussion clearly stating clearing has
moved in. There has been nary a cloud all day. Yet, look at the PM
forecast. Why bother???????

Ron
Cincinnati

THE FOLLOWING WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED AT 1059 AM EST THU FEB 3 2005
.SHORT TERM (THIS AFT)... SURFACE ANALYSIS SHOWS SURFACE TROF HAS
MOVED TO THE EAST OF OHIO WITH HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE BUILDING IN. KILN
SHOWING ENHANCED SNOW HAS COME TO AN END ACROSS FORECAST AREA.
SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS CLEARING TO THE I-71 CORRIDOR AND WORKING
EAST. HAVE UPDATED TO REMOVE SNOW MENTION AND TO GO MORE
OPTIMISTIC WITH CLOUD COVER. TEMPS LOOK FINE. HOWEVER, WITH FRESH
SNOW ON THE GROUND SOUTH OF I-70 THIS MIGHT TAKE A DEGREE OR TWO
AWAY FROM HIGHS BUT CURRENT FORECAST STILL LOOKS GOOD.

This Afternoon: Mostly cloudy, with a high around 41. North wind
around 8 mph

Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 3:15 pm
Subject: LOL

Ron, I went to reply to your message, but hit delete instead
sooooooooooooo, it was entitled MORE TWILIGHT ZONE.

We are running coatless today at 29 degrees. The fog burned off about
noon and now we don't have a cloud in the sky.

Yes, it has been a weird winter.

Now they are talking T-boomers in the forcast for us? LOL----it may
change.

Everyone is running around with "lighter" clothes on and getting sick.

We have seen more of a "clumping" of precip. this season.

Two years ago, it started snowing in early October and we had snow every
day thru mid-April.

Last winter, just cold and no snow until about this time. When I left
for Phoenix, I had 4 foot drifts on my porch.

I left 75 degrees there and it was 0 here. Talk about being depressed!
LOL

Anyway, the point is....this winter has been a mix of the previous 2
years---with periods of HEAVY precip "clumped" together, instead of none
or continual precip.

We've been spoiled here.

The week we hit our all time high in January, the year before we stood
at negitive -10 degrees for weeks.

I dislike this time of year because all that snow in all those piles is
a ucky color of black or gray.

Give me more snow, or non at all.....LOL

Pam in Richland Co.


Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 11:57 am
Subject: Ice Storm Photos


Here is a link that has some photos of last months ice storm(s).
These were taken in the Wayne/Holmes area by our electric coop.
Those of you who are under a rural electric coop may have already
seen some of these as well as those in their monthly magazine.

http://www.hwecoop.com/2004icestorm.html

Jack Sisler
Wooster 7N

Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 3:26 pm
Subject: I'm sweating in Feb!!!!

I'm burning up! hahahahahaha

It's 39 degrees and oh so sunny and I waaaaaaaaaaaaay overdressed today.

Gosh, if I knew they were going to hit the forcasted high today, I
would of washed the car.....

They missed it everyday this week except today.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] I'm sweating in Feb!!!!

Pam,
If you think you're sweating now, wait til Sunday! My friend Bill Schubert
(formerly of The Weather Channel, and
now at WTOV TV 9 in Steubenville [NBC]) is forecasting highs near 60 for this
part of Ohio for Sunday and
Monday. He even eluded to the possibility of 62 on Monday. Wow, hope he's right.
Much of the snow cover is wasting away today. Brilliant sunny skies and strong
heating in the direct sunlight is
doing us a huge favor. The less snow cover, the milder it'll get!
OK, keep 'cool' Pam and take care.
Don Keating
Newcomerstown

Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: I'm sweating in Feb!!!!


You'll hear no complaints from this end! I recorded a 45 @ 2:18 p.m.
which is the highest temp since that record high of 68 on January
13th.

Jack
Wooster 7N

Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 7:04 pm
Subject: January 2005 Stats for Ravenna 1SE

Hi All:
Been busy lately, not much time to post but here are my stats for January:
Hi Temp 69 (1/13/05)
Low Temp -10 (1/28/05)
Mean Temp 25.63
Mean Hi Temp 35.06
Mean Low Temp 16.19
Total Precip 6.45"
Precip Days 18
Thunder Days 1
Hi 24 hr Precip 1.26" (1/5/05)
Total Snow 18.0"
Hi 24 hr Snow 4.0" (1/22/05)
Max Snow Cover 9" (1/24/05)
Glad that month is over. My total snowfall for the winter thru end of January is
36.0".
Gary Locke
Ravenna 1SE
OWON #121

From: "Jon Seymour"  
Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 1:06 am
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] I'm sweating in Feb!!!!

After this coming week, winter may very well be making a significant return.
Models are really starting to show some very serious winter weather for
the eastern US by the 10th and after.

From: "Jon Seymour"  
Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 10:13 am
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] I'm sweating in Feb!!!!

Well, first the warmth would be coming to an end, and by the 13th, models
are converging on a classic Miller A snowstorm for the Ohio Valley and East
Coast north of Virginia, much different than the clipper storms we have had
for most of the winter (with the exception of the historic pre-Christmas
storm). Of course, this is still 8 days away, so something to watch at this
point, but similar solutions this far out is interesting. The pattern so
far this winter has featured a warm first week or 2 of the month, followed
by a tremendous reversal to cold. In Columbus, the first 15 days of January
were the 3rd warmest since 1940 and the 2nd half of the month was the 11th
coldest in the same time frame. It was the #1 biggest warm to cold switch.
A similar situation occurred in December, though not quite as impressive.
The December switch was the 7th largest warm to cold switch for the month.
It is looking likely that February will continue this seesaw effect.
February could very well end up colder than January.

>From: Don K
>Reply-To: OhioWx@yahoogroups.com
>To: OhioWx@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [OhioWx] I'm sweating in Feb!!!!
>Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:49:24 -0800 (PST)
>
>Jon... Define "very serious winter weather" for us all, will ya? Thanks. In
>the meantime I'm going to ENJOY this short term warm spell.
>
>Don

Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 3:40 pm
Subject: WAHOOOO

It's 45 degrees and blinding sunshine!

I did go out and measure my snow pack. I go to the center of my yard
and have seen only .5 to 1 inch of melted snow.

The snow melt seems to be coming from the perimater -- edge of walkways,
driveways etc..

Oh, they have changed our big snow shower forcast to just regular
showers.

Who knows what will be on tap that day.

I will be in the greater Columbus area Monday and Tuesday, as my
schedule stands now.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Thu Feb 5, 2004 4:59 pm
Subject:

Hi Pam and Group,
Pam, you will probably be delighted to hear something that I heard last
Sunday night on the 11:00 news. It was on Columbus station WCMH(Channel
4). Meteorologist Jym Ganahl said that in 34% of the winters(Columbus
records go back to 1878)more snow fell after January 31 than fell through
January 31.


Now onto another snow story.
How many of you were keeping records way back in April, 1987? In
Columbus,
the greatest 24-hour, midnight to midnight snowfall was recorded on APRIL
4, 1987. Here is what I wrote in my weather diary that night - "High 34,
Low 28, Rain none,
Snow 12.3". Cloudy, strong bitterly cold N-NW winds gusting to 48 m.p.h.,
blowing, drifting & falling snow with blizzard conditions at times. Snow
became much heavier from late afternoon into night & Reynoldsburg(where I
lived at the time), Canal Winchester & Franklin County Roads were closed
to all but emergency vehicles. Later Fairfield & Licking Counties added.
I-70 is closed in both directions from Route 13 to Zanesville. Thunder &
lightning at night. Previous Columbus record for 24 hr. midnight to
midnight snowfall was 11.9" Jan. 6, 1910." The next day I noted that the
snowstorm moved into Ohio from the east and southeast. Three days after
the April snowstorm the high temperature was 62 degrees.
Jim Fry
Rockbridge 4W
OWON #33

Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 7:46 pm
Subject:


Jim,

Interesting and can find that to be quite true. Did some comparisons
here and found some interesting facts. In just the short time at
this particular location I've been taking records (14 years), four
out of those 14 Winter seasons have had the greatest 24-hour
snowfalls on record occur in February plus two in the month of March.

Also, my fifth greatest monthly snowfall has occurred during a
February.

Jack Sisler
Wooster 7N

Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] (unknown)

I went home to my parents' just to see that snow in Columbus that
year.....LOL I had to see that snow for myself!

hahahaha

James, what about the 20 inch snowfall in................2002? I
think...I was highly elated to know it was going to hit and I was going
to be in Phoenix.

Sky Harbor was closed the day before due to rain/flooding and CMH the
day after due to 20 inches of snow.

I called home to tell Mom I made it ok and I chuckled to hear that 20
inches had fallen. I had on a t-shirt and shorts.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Anyway,temps falling fast tonight.....from 45 to present temp of 36
degrees just since the sun went down.

Fog to move in overnight and be an issue tommorrow morning.

Pam in North Central OH

From: "Jon Seymour"  
Date: Sat Feb 5, 2005 11:04 pm
Subject: RE: [OhioWx] (unknown)

If you like stats, check these out for Columbus:
Since 1940

November 2004
#12 Wettest with 4.12"
#8 Warmest with a mean of 46.2

December 2004 Stats
#9 Snowiest with 9.6"
#4 Biggest Dec Snowstorm with 6.6"
#14 Wettest with 3.36"

January 2005
#1 Wettest January with 8.95"
#21 Snowiest January with 10.6". Even more remarkable considering there was
only a Trace recorded through the 15th.
#1 Largest temp departure reversal of warm to cold. 22.2 degrees between the
1st-15th and the 16th-31st.
#11 Coldest 2nd Half of January
#3 Warmest 1st Half of January

Nov-Jan Stats
#17 Snowiest 1st Half of Winter
#1 Wettest Nov-Jan Period with 16.43"
#2 Wettest 2-year Period (Nov-Jan 03-04 and Nov-Jan 04-05) with 27.18"
#3 Wettest 3-year Period (Nov-Jan 02-03, 03-04, and 04-05) with 34.60"

20.2" of snowfall in Columbus was recorded through January 31st.
Winters with 20-24.9" of snowfall by January 31st similar to 2004-05:
1944-45, 1945-46, 1958-59, 1962-63, 1963-64, 1967-68, 1978-79, 1981-82,
1998-99, and 2002-03
70% of these winters had above average snowfall and the remaining 3 (44-45,
45-46, and 58-59) all had 80% or greater of normal. So if history is any
indication, Columbus should end up above normal in terms of snowfall.
Through February 5, we only needed 7.6" to go above normal.

There were 20 consecutive days (Jan 16-Feb 4) that had at least 1" of snow
on the ground. Since 1940, this is the 11th longest period of snowcover on
the ground. So far for the season, there have been 32 total days with 1" or
greater of snowcover. This ranks #17 with half the season still to go.

Now, next week could be very interesting for parts of the OV. Not only is
there a storm threat for the 13th, but also for the 10th. Right now, most
NWS offices do not seem too impressed with winter weather next week, but I
honestly think the threat is bigger than they seem to believe. Time to
watch it.

Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 4:15 pm
Subject: April 1987


In April 1987 I was a junior at Ohio State. Each year a hiking group
I was a member of took a weekend trip to Shakertown at Pleasant Hill,
Kentucky, south of Lexington, in the spring. It was that weekend. I
traveled home to Cincinnati Friday night and back to Columbus Monday
morning. That storm was a true springtime Appalachian snowstorm
which stretched back right to Cincinnati. As often happens my west
side Cincinnati house got just light snow while points west got
nothing and points east got dumped on.

We traveled to Lexington in wet snow which accumulated to about 4
inches down there but mostly melted on pavement. That evening we
took a horse drawn sleigh ride (in April in the south!) and watched a
fiery red sunset at the back edge of the overcast to the west. Snow
melted quickly and was mostly gone by midday Sunday.

With warm air roaring back behind the storm and the warm April ground
temperatures the snow was actually mostly gone in Columbus by the
time I got back to class Monday morning. Believe it or not, in 36
hours the 12.3 inches was reduced to next to nothing but tales which
were told for years. There actually were blizzard warnings posted in
Columbus.

Despite the warm ground temperatures and air temperatures which rose
well into the 70's there were still drifts left a week later in spots.

Ron Rothhaas
Cincinnati
OSU Class Of 1988

From: ymsgr:sendIM?brothhaasymsgr:sendIM?brothhaas"Bridget and Ron"
 
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 4:24 pm
Subject: JAN WX SUMMARY

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RONALD E ROTHHAAS JR
CINCINNATI 5NW
HIGH 67(12, 13)
LOW 3(23)
MEAN HIGH 41.8
MEAN LOW 26.4
MONTHLY MEAN 34.1 (+6.0)
TOTAL PPT 6.28 (+3.69)
MAX 24 HR PPT 1.79(5)
TTL SNOWFALL 7.2 (+0.5)
MAX 24 HR SNOW 3.4(20)
MAX SNOW DEPTH 5(22)
TSTORM DAYS 1
DAYS W/1"+ SNOW-
FALL 4
DAYS W/1"+SNOW
DEPTH 12
FOG DAYS 16
GLAZE DAYS 2

Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 4:29 pm
Subject: ABBREVIATED FORECASTS


Anybody have any idea why the NWS Wilmington hasn't been posting a
forecast more than 2 or 3 days out? Could it be that since the 4 to
7 day forecasts were getting silly they are giving up? For the past
2 or 3 days the 4 to 7 day fields have been blank.

Ron Rothhaas
Cincinnati

Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 8:36 am
Subject: Re: ABBREVIATED FORECASTS


Ron,

Must be a local issue because I just checked the other four WFO's
that cover Ohio and their all still running their extended
forecasts. I would think it would be one way or the other with all
of them but I don't know where the line is drawn between the local
offices and regionally/nationally.

I went out looking at cars yesterday because it was nice and I think
everyone else had the same idea. I think cabin fever has set in with
many of us and I can't blame them even if it was only in the 50's
here.

Jack
Wooster 7N

Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 9:12 am
Subject: ABBREVIATED FORECASTS


BELOW IS THE MORNING FORECAST FROM THE WILMINGTON WEBSITE. IT HAS
BEEN LIKE THIS SINCE FRIDAY.

Ron Rothhaas

Today: A chance of rain. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 46. South
wind between 11 and 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%. New
rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.

Tonight: A chance of rain before 2am, then a chance of snow. Mostly
cloudy, with a low around 30. West wind between 7 and 9 mph. Chance
of precipitation is 30%. New snow accumulation of less than one inch
possible.

Tuesday: A slight chance of snow. Partly cloudy, with a high around
34. West wind between 7 and 14 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

Tuesday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low near 21. West wind around 13
mph.

Wednesday: Partly cloudy, with a high around 29. West wind between 13
and 15 mph.

Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy.

Thursday:

Thursday Night:

Friday:

Friday Night:

Saturday:

Saturday Night:

Sunday:

Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 3:31 pm
Subject: Record Set


According to TWC, Columbus set an all time high today of 52 degrees since
....'64 or '65

Humidity stands at 46% and barometer is falling due to the rain coming.

Air quality is moderate.

Pam

Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 3:45 pm
Subject: correction


The 52 degrees was a tie and the year was 1965.

Sorry.

Pam

From: "Jon"  
Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 10:58 am
Subject: Update on Winter Potential


NWS offices still remain rather tame in their forecasts for this week
and beyond, but the potential for accumulating snow remains. Looks
like for the 9-10th event, northern Ohio stands the best chance at
accumulating snow with NAM is painting .25-.50" of precip there.
Other models have been further south, however. Beyond this storm, a
very interesting pattern may setup. ECMWF shows the coldest pattern
of the season so far by mid-month.

Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Update on Winter Potential

Hello Jon;
I was intrigued reading your post regarding the forecast, both short term and
long term. I have also looked over the
ECMWF forecast and I apparently do not see what you do. I have also loked at the
MRF maps which project 10
days in advance and again, I don't see any majot outbreak of cold air.
Furthermore I have looked over the 8 day
forecast highs and in fact, I see a modest warming trend, nothing indicating a
major outbreak of cold air. Days 6
through 8 are showing highs from 43-48 in Ohio.
I think another thing we seem to forget is to factor in the amount of snow cover
across NA and OH. This is,
obviously, a MAJOR factor in whether or not the arctic air will maintain much of
its intensitity.
I may be wrong and I'm certainly not the smartest person on this list when it
comes to Meteorology, but I just don't
see, at THIS point in time, the "coldest pattern of the season so far by mid-
month".
Maybe I'm getting too opinionated in my slightly older age.
Don Keating

Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Update on Winter Potential

Check oit these two maps. They do seem to indicate a trend toward much colder.
The GFS/MRF is not a very good
model. The ensembles are much more reliable, I think
10 day ECMWF:
http://meteocentre.com/models/ecmwf_amer_00/PN_GZ_240_0500.html
GFS ensmbles pattern 11-Day
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/short_range/tools/gifs/ens500_
maps.d11.1.gif
Doug Brady
Hambden Twp.

Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Update on Winter Potential

Hi Doug;
Thanks for the two links. I think the MRF usually does a descent job up to 8 or
9 days in advance. At least that's my
observation after checking on it time and again for the past severl months now.
One thing is for sure, we'll know
how the next 10-14 days look here in about 2 weeks.
Don Keating

From: Doug Brady  
Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Update on Winter Potential

Don,
I like the ECMWF. That does look like the coldest pattern it has predicted all
winter. However, by mid February,
even with the coldest pattern, I doubt we'll get as cold as we would have had
the pattern occured in mid January. It
will be interesteing to see what the 10-day ECMWF prediction is for today's 12Z
model, wich will come out this
evening about 8:00 PM. The 7-day 12z forecast is already out and it does seem to
be following alomg with the 0Z
model:
http://www.ecmwf.int/products/forecasts/d/charts/medium/deterministic/msl_uv850_
z500!Geopotential%20500%20
hPa!168!North%20America!pop!od!oper!public_plots!2005020812!!/
We'll see!

Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Update on Winter Potential

Ron,
Yes, it does appear that the CPC is discounting the ECMWF in favor of the GFS. I
guess time will tell. My personal
feeling is that it will be warm/mild as has been the case practically all winter
(other than a couple temporary cold
spells).
Doug Brady
Hambden Twp.

From: "Phillip Higley"  
Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 8:23 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Weather Summary - Antrin/Eden Twps. -- NEVADA,OHIO 44849

Don't worry, spring is just around the corner. Then you want cooler
temperatures.
When we are in the upper 80F an the grass is growing so fast you would have
to mow it 3 times a week...
Grass is GREEN.............Like dollars bills..I myself would like dollar
bills then green grass..Wouldn't you??
34F Present
41F Hi
34F Low so far...
Precip. 0.20" with FOG........1/4 mile or less
Rel. Hum. 98%
Dew Point 34F
4-E
Putnam, Co.

Date: Tue Feb 8, 2005 9:07 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Weather Summary - Antrin/Eden Twps. -- NEVADA,OHIO 44849

It's gonna have to warm up more than it did last summer.......record low
of 44 in July and the highest temp was 88 only once here in Mansfield.

No 90's at all. Nada.

I don't cut grass....LOL.....or shovel snow.......or plow.

Temps here now is 29 degrees.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Wed Feb 9, 2005 5:01 pm
Subject: COLDEST AIR OF SEASON?????WHAT A CHANGE


I'M NOT SURE THIS WILL BE THE COLDEST AIR OF THE SEASON BUT THE
CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER HAS CERTAINLY MOVED IN A COLDER DIRECTION
OVER THE NEXT 2 WEEKS.

RON ROTHHAAS

Date: Wed Feb 9, 2005 5:05 pm
Subject: Here's another good TWC blooper for you!

I happened to be viewing TWC earlier and the on air personality was making note
to the fact that the "Ohio River at
Eastlake in Ohio" was flooding. My immediate thought was that they moved the
Ohio River northward about 200+
miles?!
My philosophy... if you can't get it right, don't say it at all. Maybe they need
some Geography lessons!!! That should
be embarassing to them, but I seriously doubt it is.
Don Keating

Date: Wed Feb 9, 2005 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: Here's another good TWC blooper for you!


Don,

I heard the same thing LOL and shaking my head. I know you and many
of us have ribbed TWC many times but I still listen to certain
segments of it and will only put my confidence into a select few in
what is being said. Jim Cantore is one of those I will always listen
to and respect. Without sounding like some male chauvinist I believe
their idea of keeping their ratings up are to place a lot of female
personalities in front of a camera whom know little about the
weather but only to look good. Case in point, did anyone catch the
piece that was on one of the cable news networks where it showed the
former Weather Channel female Marty Stannier (sp?) who filed a
lawsuit against the Weather Channel because they fired her and some
others because they were "looking old" in front of the camera. They
actually had a film clip with one of the Weather Channel execs
saying this.

I highly respected TWC years ago but, as with many other programs,
looks in the media industry seem to be more important than how much
the individual knows.

Jack
Wooster 7N

Date: Mon Feb 9, 2004 11:24 pm
Subject:

Hi Pam,
TWC might say that the record high for February 7 in Columbus is 52 but
The National Weather Service says that it is 61 and was set in 1925. The
lowest high temperature record for February in Columbus is 60 on the 6th,
also set in 1925.
Sincerely,
Jim Fry
Hocking County

Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] COLDEST AIR OF SEASON????? WHAT A CHANGE

List;
I'm STILL not impressed. The eight (8) day forecast high's are ranging from the
mid 30's around next Thursday and
into the low to mid 50's as soon as this coming Monday. Rain to go along with
the 50's though.
The 10 day MRF outlook is still not showing any major outbreak of cold air and
not even an upper wind pattern
favorable for a major storm to develop. Call me crazy but I don't see a major
outbreak of cold air anywhere in the
near future (near = from 8-12 days from today).
Don Keating
Newcomerstown

Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Here's another good TWC blooper for you!

Jack;
I surely agree with you. In the industry it's called "eye candy". It brings in
the ratings. They don't give a flying hoot
about anyone knowing that the Chagrin River is actually running through
Eastlake, Ohio, not the Ohio river.
Another thing I recently observed was that, while some of the big cities get the
main anchor people in their cities
when flurries (1-4") of snow are forecast, when an ice storm recently hit
Atlanta (TWC is located in Smyrna, GA
just outside of Atlanta) they had a local TV station's correspondent do a live
remote for them. My mind went right to
"what's wrong, your own city isn't important enough to have one of your anchor
people do a live remote for the
storm"?
TWC surely isn't the same station as it was when they went on the air back in
1981. I like Jim Contore and I liked
John Hope too. Of course I liked when Bill Schubert and Bruce "Edwards"
Kalinowski were there and I really got a
kick out of George Elliott when he was there. Anyone know what ever happened to
him?
Don Keating

Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Here's another good TWC blooper for you!

List;
I just answered my own question regarding the whereabouts of former TWC
Meteorologist George Elliott. He is at
Wilmington, NC at an NBC affiliate. If you'd like to try and locate your fav TV
weather person, go to the link
below.
Don Keating
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/mrsweather/mediameteorologists.html

Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Here's another good TWC blooper for you!

Live remotes: You know you're doomed when you see TWC crew get off of a
plane in your hometown.

For whoever cares......OH has a former local met on CNN......Chad Myers.
He is on from 5am to ..... The anchor and he are formerly of Channel
10 in Columbus.

They get going at times on the OSU Buckeyes and the wx here in OH.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] COLDEST AIR OF SEASON????? WHAT A CHANGE

Don,
I am still sticking with the ECMWF. I am not an expert but this sure doesn't
look like a warm pattern to me!
http://meteocentre.com/models/ecmwf_amer_12/cep12_9panel.gif
Even the most recent GFS (18Z 2-10-2005) looks pretty cold...
Pattern:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/short_range/tools/gifs/18avn50
0_maps.d11.1.gif
Anomoly:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/short_range/tools/gifs/18avn50
0_maps.d11.2.gif

Only time will tell but mid-50s next week looks like science fiction to me at
this point!!
Doug
Hambden Twp.
Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] COLDEST AIR OF SEASON????? WHAT A CHANGE

Don,
I am hoping the cold pattern does develop. I'd like to see the ski season
extended as long as possible. It is interesting
to note though that the ECMWF has been very consistent in predicting this colder
pattern to begin along about
Tuesday/Wednesday of next week. The GFS, as always, has been all over the map.
The Canadian ensembles are also
on board with the colder pattern:
http://weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/data/ensemble/gz1_192_e.html
Of course it won't be as cold as in January given the higher sun angle, longer
days, etc.
Doug
Hambden Twp.

Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Predictions... true to form?

Don,
I agree about predicting individual storms more than 3-4 days in advance...it's
impossible! But overall weather
patterns can be predicted a little more accurately, I think. I guess we'll see.
I have noticed a pattern that almost
always seems to hold true during winter. If all the major models predict a cold
outbreak, there is, at best, a 50-50
chance that the cold outbreak will occur. On the other hand, if all the models
predict mild weather, it is virtually
certain that the warm weather will occur. Just something I've noticed over the
years.
Doug
Hambden Twp.

Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:24 pm
Subject: BELOW NORMAL, BUT....


The latest outlooks are showing below normal but an examination of
the maps hardly shows anything dramatic. With normal ppt snow would
be possible but they are forecasting a split flow and unless the 2
streams converge I wouldn't expect Armagedon.

Ron Rothhaas

Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] COLDEST AIR OF SEASON????? WHAT A CHANGE

I agree. The ECMWF has been superior to the MRF, GFS, etc this season. It
is also sticking with the pattern this winter of a warm first half followed
by a complete reversal the second half to cold. When all else fails, stick
with the pattern.

Jon

From: "Jon Seymour"  
Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:48 pm
Subject: RE: [OhioWx] Predictions... true to form?

True, storms have been a lot harder to come by than modeled, as seems to be
the case yet again. I was not making any forecast as you pointed out, just
saying what the consensus was at the time. However, I still think a cold
second half of February is still very possible, if not likely. Of course,
time will tell.

Date: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:07 pm
Subject: Digging out.

Mansfield and Richland Co are still cleaning up from that ice storm
weeks ago.

One road that really was hit hard, I counted 7 city trucks this morning.

On my road, they did half of it and not the rest.

Should be interesting to see how much the cleanup cost us.

Pam in North Central OH


Date: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: Long-Range Trends


Group:

Enjoyed the discussion on what some are seeing down the "weather"
road. I've said it before and I'll say it again; I, personally, will
not put much faith in any model beyond the fourth day (96 hours)
max. I will also not put "all my marbles in one basket"; in other
words, any great degree of confidence in only one model. As to what
models you want to believe depends on how far down the road you want
to look at. That makes a big difference on the accuracy. One can't
draw a good conclusion if they're going to compare the latter part
of the period on the GFS model to the beginning period of the ECMWF
or ETA model. Also, some of the models are only put out once a day
while others are put out twice a day.

The first few days of the GFS model had a better run consistancy
than most of the other models prior to our December 21-22 event. I
haven't put much faith in the ECMWF because on several occasions
when it was showing cold conditions on several occasions during the
first half of December it didn't materialize. Right now there are a
lot of weather people in the Middle Atlantic and New England area
with egg on their face with the so-called snowstorm that was to have
hit earlier this week. I think one has to put what faith they can in
the models for each individual situation.

My thoughts only but that's what were here for.

Jack Sisler
Wooster 7N

Date: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:05 am
Subject: Weather Workshops


About this time of year I try looking for any upcoming severe
weather workshops for those of us to attend whether there local or
long distance.

I have not seen any dates for this years Ohio State Severe Weather
Symposium. I'm assuming it will be held sometime in April as usual.
If anyone has the dates and details please post them with the group
since there are some that like going to this one.

In the meantime, the National Severe Weather Workshop 2005 will be
held March 3-5 near Oklahoma City. See the website for further
information (http://www.norman.noaa.gov/nsww2005). Some of the
sponsors are NOAA and NSSL. If you think you might be in the area
for business or vacation you might want to plan for it.

If anyone else knows of any weather meetings, workshops, etc. that
might be of interest please post them. Please do not post Skywarn
meetings, however, since most of this information can be gotten from
your local WFO.

Jack Sisler
OhioWx Group Moderator

Date: Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Weather Workshops

2005 Severe Storms and Doppler Radar Conference in Des Moines, Iowa. March
31-April 2. See http://www.iowa-nwa.com/conference/index.html for more info.

I have been going to this since it started(6 years ago?). It's a good
conference, although the focus has changed a bit from a chaser based group
to a media based group. Still good info though!

Chris

Date: Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:39 pm
Subject:

Hi Pam,
You recently mentioned that in 2002 you drove to Columbus to see the 20
inch snowfall. That did occur in the winter of 2002-2003 and is referred
to as the Valentine's Day - President's Day snowstorm. It began two years
ago today(Feb. 14). Valentine's Day was on a Friday that year and here in
northwest Hocking County the total snowfall was 2.7". On Saturday an
additional 5.0" fell and on Sunday the total
was 8.7". On Monday(President's Day)2.8" fell before the storm moved out.
Total snowfall for the event was 19.2". The greatest snow depth was 18"
on the 17th. There was already 3" of snow on the ground before the
snowstorm began. I was stranded for four days but got along just fine. I
had plenty of food and the electrical power never went out during the
event.
Sincerely,
Jim Fry

Date: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] (unknown)

There was 5 inches on the ground all ready when I left and then 20
inches fell. They were talking about it the other day on the news, but
I really didn't pay attention.

The day before I left, Sky Harbor was closed do to rain and then the day
after was the big storm here. I was in AZ so I don't know if it was
all at once.

I'm pretty sure I left on the 15th. and I know I came back on March 1st.
I do know that the WARNINGS had been posted the day I left and I kept
chucking to myself, knowing I would be in AZ soon.

I remember the guy who searched the car found out I was going to Phoenix
and he jokingly told his partner DISMANTLE THIS CAR and he burst out
laughing.

I called my Mom a couple of days later, on Monday night (after seeing
Columbus on the nat'l news) and I said I'M SORRY, I'M IN TEE SHIRT AND
SHORTS.

She laughed and said YOU SOUND SORRY. (she was just joking around)

Well, hey, I had to rub it in that I had just come back from a
cookout.............LOL

So the answer is YES.

Mansfield only rec'd 9 inches of snow in that storm (what my girlfriend
told me.)

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:29 pm
Subject: Dense Spot

Jim-----I went and checked my records (I kept a journal of the whole
time I was gone) and it was Friday, the 14th.

I put in the journal that when I got to Phoenix I made them laugh
because I wanted the air on.....then roll down the windows because it
was a big diff from CMH to SH.

We went out to eat at a 50's place for Valentines Day and I journaled
how tired I was due to the time change and from the trip.

I also called my Mom in the van and had to get off fast because of the
storm that was moving in to the area. Thunder, lightning and the
mountains.....so pretty.

Slept with the windows open each night and watched the problems back
east with the storm that had rolled thru.

This is the second time I haven't gone in Feb. The first time I went
was right after 9/11 and was gone the whole month of Oct in LA and then
to Phoenix.

Had an earthquake but I was out of the greater LA area and missed it.
RATS.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:52 pm
Subject: National Flood Safety Awareness Week


Group:

This announcement was on the Cleveland NWS website and will probably
be on other NWS websites as well but considering better than half of
Ohio was in some serious flooding situations this past year I
thought I would spread the word for anyone not becoming aware of it.

It will be held March 21-25, 2005. Go to
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/floodsafety for more information. Also,
Skywarn meetings for this year are beginning to be posted for the
various counties. Check your local WFO website.

Jack Sisler
OhioWx Group Moderator

Date: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:24 pm
Subject: January's Weather Statistics for Centerville 1W

Weather statistics for the month of January for Centerville 1W.
High Temp (Date) ... 65ø / 12th
Low Temp (Date) ... -1ø / 18th
Mean High .. 37.5ø
Mean Low .. 22.9ø
Monthly Mean ... 30.2ø
Total Precipitation ... 8.62"
Max 24 hr Precipitation (Date) ... 1.95" / 5th
Number of Precipitation Days... 16
Total Snowfall... 6.4"
Max 24 hr Snowfall (Date) ... 3.8" / 20th
Max Snow Depth at time of observation ... 6"
High Wind Gust (Date) ... 41 MPH / 13th
Thunderstorm Days ... 3
Highest Barometer (Date) ... 30.82" / 18th
Lowest Barometer (Date) ... 29.59" / 22nd
Average High Wind Gust... 19.2 MPH
Year To Date Precipitation . 8.62"

Robert Flory - KA5RUC
Centerville 1W
Southeast Montgomery County
Ohio Weather Observer Network #82
Wilmington NWS Skywarn ID OMT405

Date: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:10 pm
Subject: sawmill still

Cleanup still continue's here from that aweful ice storm we had.

One street was completely blocked today as dump trucks loaded piles and
piles of tree limbs.

Still alot to go. My landlord called about getting ours taken care of
and the waiting list is over 4 weeks long!

I went by a high school statium today and that is where all the
chippings have been taken. There were 2 piles .. about 50 feet tall,
each.

Unreal!!!!!

My yard is still full.....looks tacky, but what's a girl to do?

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] School Day Forcast

At 12:22 p.m. we touched 66 degrees here in Newcomerstown. It is now 4:15 p.m. and we have dropped to 64. The
reading of 66 is a new record high, smashing the previous record of 58 established way back in 1990.
Reality comes back tomorrow. Reality bites! LOL.
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:29 pm
Subject: Record High


Had a high of 63 @ 3:05 p.m. today breaking the previous high of 56
for the date set in 1992.

I saw where Mansfield broke their record with a high of 60 breaking
their previous high of 59 in 1976. Might be some others posted
later. Sure felt nice.

Jack
Wooster 7N

Date: Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:54 pm
Subject: January 2005 summary for Thompson 5 SW

OWON
Number:
 
Station
Name:
 
Month/Ye
ar
(mm/yr):
 
Mean
Maximum
Temp:
 
Mean
Minimum
Temp:
 
Mean
Temp:
 
Highest
Temp:
 Date: 
Lowest
Temp:
 Date: 
Total
Precipitat
ion:
 
Maximum
24hr
Precip:
 Date: 
Number
of Precip
Days:
 
Total
Snowfall:
 
Maximum
24hr
Snow:
 Date: 
Number
of 1"+
Snow
Days:
 
Max Wind
Gust:
 Date: 
Comment
s
 
Vance
Thompson 5 SW

Date: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:12 pm
Subject: Snowfall/NWS Survey


I guess this morning was a reality check. Had 1.8 inches on the snow
board this morning and with a high water content. You had to be
aware of where you were walking if it was along a road or street if
you know what I mean.

Don't know how many of you are aware, but the NWS has a
consumer/public independent survey for anyone to take. Most of the
local WFO websites have the link to get to it. It covers of a lot of
information asking questions/opinions on various things such as
forecast displays, short-term/long-term forecasts, wind chill and
hail criteria, etc. It took me about 30 minutes to complete.

It covered a lot of information on a lot of topics we've touched on
within the OhioWx Group along with the likes/dislikes of the various
NWS functions, material, etc. being done or used. I feel like this
is one of those opportunities to kind of "speak your mind" and might
be the only way to do so.

Jack
Wooster 7N

Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:53 am
Subject: OSU weather symposium

I just saw the information about the annual weather symposium at The Ohio State University. The date is Friday, April
15. See http://twister.sbs.ohio-state.edu and then click on Meteorology Club. A friend who is a meteorologist at the
Wilmington, OH, NWS alerted me to it.
Shawn Trueman
Anoka, Minnesota

Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:04 am
Subject: summary of the last week


The 7am snow report here was 0.6" for the last 12 hours with a snow
depth of 7". There has been 9.6" of snow total since the event began
on the 16th with 15.1 for the month and 140.4 for the season so far.
Before the snow, on the 14th we had a high temp. reading of 46 and a
low of 35, and the respective readings on the 15 were 60 and 37.
This reduced the snow cover to a trace, but did not eliminate all the
snow.

Vance
Thompson 5 SW (northern Geauga Co.)

Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:07 am
Subject: Storm Coming

Everyone is saying a storm is coming in the pm tommorrow (Sunday)

Cleveland met said, depending on the track of the storm, different parts
of OH could see most of it.

Senerio A: Hitting north of Columbus with Cleveland getting 3-8 inches
or...

Senerio B: Hitting near Cincy with 6 inches of snow.

He speculated A. Channel 5 was the mets home base.

CC"s here are 19 degrees (overnight low of 9) and barometer is 30.33
with brilliant sun and no cloud cover.

LET IT SNOW
LET IT SNOW
LET IT SNOW

hahaha

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Storm Coming

Pam;
Amazing how some mets stick their necks out and predict such storm tracks and accumulations huh? The surface low
hasn't event developed yet, at least it wasn't on the 10 a.m. sfc map.
TWC is predicting 1-3" of snow "likely" for the Canton area.
I'd like to know what happened to the several inches of lake effect snow that was predicted for extreme NE OH a few
days ago? Amazing how when a forecast goes wrong it's swept under the rug, but when they get close on it, it's all "as
we said...".
Don Keating

Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:23 pm
Subject: 9th Annual Ohio Severe Weather Symposium - Friday, April 15th, 2005

My name is Jeremy Bower and I'm the current President
of the Meteorology Club at Ohio State and also the
Co-Coordinator of this year's Ohio Severe Weather
Symposium. This year it will be held on Friday, April
15th, at the Ohio State Fawcett Center Auditorium. The
Symposium is sponsored by the Wilmington, OH National
Weather Service Forecast Office, Ohio River Forecast
Center, Ohio State Geography Department, and the Ohio
State Meteorology Club. It is open to the public and
it is free to attend. Here are the list of speakers
that will be giving presentations at the event:

Dr. Harold Brooks - Head of Mesoscale Applications
Group, National Severe Storms Laboratory

Robin Gerhardt - Meteorologist, National Weather
Service Forecast Office, Wilmington, Ohio

Joe Heim - Ohio River Forecast Center, Wilmington,
Ohio

Dan McCarthy - Warning Coordination Meteorologist,
Storm Prediction Center

Rick McCoy - Emergency Managment Director, Van Wert
County, Ohio

Dr. Louis Uccelini - Director of National Centers for
Environmental Prediction

Dr. Josh Wurman - Center for Severe Weather Research

Also, Tim Vasquez (WeatherGraphics) will be giving one
of his Forecast Schools during the second half of the
lunch hour.

Anybody interested can check out the website at
twister.sbs.ohio-state.edu and click the Meteorology
Club link for more information on the Symposium.
Anybody wanting to attend the event please RSVP to me
at jrb_storm@yahoo.com or if you would like to know
more about it.

Thanks,
Jeremy Bower
2004-05 Meteorology Club President

Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Storm Coming

Don,
I think this one will end up being mostly rain. This winter, every time there is a discrepancy in the models, the one that
predicts more rain/warm air and less snow is always correct. This one will be no exception. I agree about the lake effect
warning. I drove through downtown Cleveland last Sunday on the way to the Home & Garden show and there was
nothing on the lake but ice as far as the eye could see. We did end up getting several inches of snow over a couple day
period but nothing to cause any problems. I was able to clear my 150 foot long driveway with a pushbroom! Just my
thoughts/observations....
Doug Brady
Hambden Twp.

From: "Phillip Higley"  
Date: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:56 pm
Subject: in coming storm

Just got done looking at the lastest maps. An it look's
to me that most of the heavy snow is going to be to the
North of us, here in N.W. Ohio. From Bowling Green
south & South East look's at mostly rain & some snow.
But nothing to really write home about.
But for the people that lives East of Cleveland & down
Arkon, Ohio...NOW THEY SHOULD get ready for a good
snow fall.
We here in N.W. Ohio must live right.
Hi 39F
Low 16F
@ 7:55 it's 32F
Cdly. 30.19S
Winds SSW-2
Precip.: 0.00
Get your Snow removers ready N.E. Ohio
4-E Putnam, Co.

Date: Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Storm Coming

The reason you saw ice as far as you could see on LE was, according to
Dick Goddard, the lake is completly frozen over.

LE is the only one that does this due to the shallower waters.

He also showed the rest of the Great Lakes and their ice cover, and
exactly where they are frozen an/or not frozen.

I fugure he's been a met for over 40 years in Cleveland and he knows
what he is talking about.

He's the only one I feel confortable in beleiving for that very reason.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:50 pm
Subject: Lake Erie ice cover

Ohio Weather Group,
Lake Erie is not completely ice-covered. In last Thursday morning's Cleveland NWS discussion, the meteorologist said
that there were a lot of breaks in the ice to act as a moisture source for lake-effect snow. (see third paragraph of
discussion below).
For a map of Great Lakes ice cover, see http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/glsea/glsea.gif. The various shades of gray
show the median ice concentration. Only if an area is shaded black (as is the area around the islands in the western part
of the lake), is that part of the lake completely ice-covered.
Shawn Trueman
Anoka, MN
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AN INTERESTING SITUATION SETTING UP THIS MORNING WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR LAKE
EFFECT SNOW TO DEVELOP AS A SERIES OF UPPER LEVEL SHORTWAVES MOVE SOUTHEAST
ACROSS THE AREA MAINLY LATE THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH FRIDAY. DIGGING TROUGH AXIS
DEVELOPS OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS TO KEEP THE FORECAST AREA IN CYCLONIC FLOW
ALOFT.

ETA/NAM AND GFS MODELS BOTH AGREE THAT FLOW WILL BECOME WELL ALIGNED THIS
AFTERNOON INTO FRIDAY. BUFKIT SOUNDINGS SUGGEST INGREDIENTS SUCH AS BEST AREA OF
ICE CRYSTAL GROWTH...UPWARD VERTICAL MOTION...70 PERCENT RH OR GREATER...AND MEAN
FLOW ALL COME TOGETHER LATER THIS AFTERNOON TO SET UP A WEST TO EAST LAKE EFFECT
SNOW BAND OFF LAKE ERIE. 850 MB TEMPERATURES DROP TO -20 C BY 1 PM FRIDAY
AFTERNOON AND THIS CREATES A MODERATE INSTABILITY BETWEEN THE LAKE TEMPERATURE
AND AIR TEMPERATURE TONIGHT INTO FRIDAY.

LAKE ERIE HAS A LOT OF BREAKS IN THE ICE TO ALLOW MOISTURE TRANFER TO THE AIR FLOW
PASSING OVER THE LAKE. THIS IN COMBINATION WITH WIDE OPEN LAKE HURON SHOULD
PROVIDE ENOUGH MOISTURE TO MEET WARNING CRITERIA OVER THE SNOW BELT REGIONS OF
NORTHEAST OHIO AND NORTHWEST PENNSYLVANIA.


From: "Jon Seymour"  
Date: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:04 pm
Subject: Storm for Southern half of Ohio tomorrow?

Models trended significantly further north with the storm this morning that
just yesterday was supposed to be mainly south of the Ohio River and the
NAM, which has really been very good in the short range, has .25+ QPF
getting well into Central Ohio. NGM has it even further north than the NAM
taking the .25" almost through Cleveland and the .50" almost to Columbus.
The GFS, meanwhile, is the southernmost model with very little QPF for
anywhere in Ohio. The trend this year has been for every single storm to go
further north than originally thought. That's why storms that looked good
for a large portion of the state, such as the late January storm, busted big
time south of I-80. Michigan and northern Ohio have had a really good snow
season because of this. This storm started out supressed and it now may
very well be Central and Southern Ohio's turn for a good snow, especially if
the north trend continues. NWS offices, particularly ILN, might very well
have to drastically change zone forecasts as the morning AFD said little to
no accumulation for the I-70 corridor and maybe 1-2" down near Chillicothe.
After this storm, whatever happens, another one looks possible around March
1st, but plenty of time to watch that.
As for the cold second half of this month, it has come late, but normal to
below normal temps have arrived for the week at least. Cold enough for
snow, anyway, and that's good enough for me :)

Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:33 pm
Subject: Newcomerstown snowfall

As of 7 p.m. 2/24/2005
2.2" of new snowfall.
Snow on the ground is 2.2".
Currently... 27 and flurries.

Don Keating #106
Skywarn Spotter ID TU - 093
Newcomersotwn, Ohio

Date: Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:44 pm
Subject: Hocking County Snowfall.

Total snowfall at my home in northwest Hocking County
today(Thursday)was 4.4 inches.
Jim Fry
Rockbridge 4W
OWON #33

Date: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:26 am
Subject: Re: Newcomerstown snowfall


I only had 0.9 inches which was close to what was expected. Being
pretty much on the northern fringe of the snowfall was kind of
strange. Just driving south into downtown Wooster you could see the
intensity of the snowfall increase about the five mile distance from
my house.

Snowfall for the month has been quite sparse with an even 4.0 inches
for the month which doesn't bother me.

Jack
Wooster 7N

Date: Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:41 pm
Subject: Snowfall


Thursday snowfall at Cincinnati 5NW: 2.0

Ronald E. Rothhaas Jr.

Date: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:50 am
Subject: Storm or No Storm?


Depending or which model(s) you want to rely on some parts of Ohio
may or may not get dumped on. All the models are originating a Low
coming out of the Gulf coast (Louisiana). Out of four models their
split down the model. The NAM and GFS are putting the low over
eastern Kentucky/southern Ohio by Monday morning. The MRF and ECMWF
are taking the low further east up the coast.

A few of the models show somewhat of a double-barrel low in the
beginning stages but quite an array of differences from there. I
guess later model runs will put things together but my guess is the
low that moves more toward the Appalachian Mountains is going to
have a better moisture source.

Other comments or forecasts?

Jack
Wooster 7N

Date: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:58 am
Subject: Re: Newcomerstown snowfall


That happens all the time here with the dynamics of the lake-effect.
Makes for interesting driving as the roads my by dry in one location
and another only a couple minutes further on my be snow-covered and
slippery with near white-out snowfall. Years ago, before I actually
lived in the snowbelt, I was driving up and drove into such a place
so suddenly that I was still going 55mph as I ran into the heavy
snow...AAA membership is a good thing. Now I know where to expect
such things and be ready. Even yesterday, we had 6" of snow on the
ground while places 15 minutes away had about 1".

Vance

Date: Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Storm or No Storm?

Jack,
I know this isn't very scientific but my forecast is to go with which ever model is predicting the least amount of snow.
That has been the case all winter with synoptic storms, at least for NE Ohio. The 12z NAM continues to show NE Ohio
getting dumped on, a sure sign that it is wrong! Well...that's my opinion/prediction. The only caveat is that this storm
reminds me in some ways of the 2002 Christmas storm in that the NAM (ETA at the time) predicted heavy snow for us
when all the other models said the main preciption would be further east. In the end the ETA was correct. Time will tell
Does anybody else have any thoughts??
Doug Brady
Hambden Twp.

Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:20 am
Subject: Re: Storm or No Storm? (If it's a Delta Low... WATCH OUT!)


Well, those Gulf coast lows do sometimes give Ohio a heavy dose of
snow, especially if it should interact with other systems coming
frome the north.

I had 0.4" snowfall today. 0.2" as part of the system that overnight
dribbled 0.9" on us; another 0.1" fell just before noon, perhaps from
orographic or minor lake-effect snow; and another 0.1" fell this
evening from a mostly clear sky.

Vance
Thompson 5 SW

From: "Jon Seymour"  
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:12 am
Subject: RE: [OhioWx] Re: Storm or No Storm? (If it's a Delta Low... WATCH OUT!)

Well, I mentioned the possibility of this storm several days ago and at the
time, there were very different results of rain vs snow. Unfortunately, I
have not had the opportunity to say anything about it until now, when the
storm is practically on top of us. An intial start as rain or a mix is
likely for most of Ohio with the nose of warm air just to the west of the
Apps, but colder air should be in here by early to mid-afternoon and temps
should not rise much, if at all, from current readings. ILN held out for an
almost entirely rain solution until late yesterday, even when the beloved
GFS was calling for mostly snow. Right now, a Winter Storm Warning is in
effect from 6pm tonight until 6pm Tuesday for 3-7" of snow. The 3" seems
awfully low, especially for the I-70 corridor. However, given the nature of
the seasonal trend and the various busts for snowfall in the area, I'm
certainly not going to write that off completely. Far northern Ohio should
again see the best snowfall with this storm, and CLE seems to have been with
that scenario all along, but Central and Eastern Ohio should do well also.
I'm thinking a general 4-8" across the state, with perhaps closer to 6-12"
across the north. Wrap around snow should hang on quite awhile, perhaps
into Wednesday morning, so this appears to be a long duration event.


Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Major Snow Event......

What did PBZ call for your area, originally?

I see they have you for 3-7" total, including
some blowing, perhaps drifting.

The snow event has started here, in Medina County.
It's coming down pretty good -- we'll get many
inches at this rate.


- Patrick

Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: Major Snow Event......


Don:

That's one of the problems with situations like this. Ohio comes
under five WFO juristictions. Your on the western edge and their
(PIT) forecasts have to include a couple of counties east of
Pittsburgh.I still to this day think it was a big mistake to
downsize by eliminating so many of the former offices back in the
seventies. I think you will probably be on the low end of the
accumulation (3-5"). With the WFO in Pittsburgh being between two
systems I'm sure it's difficult to nail down accumulations.

I've had 0.9 inches as of 7 p.m. It's been at 32 degrees the past
three hours. It was raining with temps in the upper 30's until about
3 p.m. then gradually changed to snow. We shall see.

Jack
Wooster 7N
Wayne County





 

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