Cincinnati 5NW (Ronald Rothhaas Jr) - September was slightly warmer than normal and extremely dry.  0.63 of the month's 0.79 inches of rain fell on the 3rd. The remnants of Hurricane Ivan dumped a soaking rain east of I-75 which mostly bypassed points west.  By month's end it was quite dusty.

Cleves 3NW (James F. Davis)-  September was 0.9 degrees above normal.
All so it was the driest September, in
18 years at this location.

Kent 2W (Eric Wertz) -  September was punctuated with 2 major rainfall events, both tropical in nature.  The 1t event was heavy rains of 2.33" on the 8th in conjunction with the Remnants of Frances.  The 2nd event was a rain episode of 1.39" on the 16th in conjunction with Ivan's remnants on a NE trek close to eastern Ohio.  Total rainfall for the month ended up being above normal (4.47" total) due to the tropical moisture.  There were only 6 days of measurable rainfall during the month.  The highest wind gust was 23mph on the 9th.  Thunder was noted on the 4th and 17th.

Kidron 1N (Ronald Hahn) -  Had it not been for the remnants of Hurricane Frances and Ivan, this would have been the driest September and the driest of all months in my 42 years of records.  However, September 2004 was just slightly above normal in rainfall and it was nearly 3 degrees above normal in temperature.  Only a trace of rain fell the last 13 days of the month. 

Newcomerstown 1S (Don Keating)-  Though there were only four days of rainfall, that rainfall came by the bucket loads and totaled 7.66". All of tha rainfall this month came as the remnants of Hurricanes Frances and Ivan passed through the area. A record 24-hour rainfall was established on the 7'th and 8'th with 4.73" of rainfall. A new storm total record was established from the 7'th through 9'th with 5.56" of rainfall. As the month ended, fourteen consecutive days have passed with no measureable rainfall. Average high wind gust was 12.5 mph.

Ottawa 4E (Phil & Bonnie Higley) A very warm month for Sept., warmer by 7.8F.  With the Precip. way below normal for the month, by 1.53".
Could this be setting us up for a snowly winter & cold months ahead??

Perrysville 4W (Katie Gerwig) -  September was slightly warmer and drier than normal.  The only precipitation was from the remnants of Frances on the 8th and 9th and Ivan on the 17th.  There were 16 days of clear skies, 6 days of significant am fog and 1 thunderstorm day. 

Ravenna 1E (Rich Rabatin) -  Remnants of T.D. Frances came through the area on the 8th and 9th with a total rainfall of 2.08" and peak wind gust of 21 mph at this station.
  Another system came through on the 16th and 17th with total rainfall of 1.70".  Both system prompted a flood watch for this area.

Ravenna 1SE (Gary Locke)  -  Major events of the month were the visits from the remnants of Frances and Ivan.  Without those, this station would have received less than 0.5" during the month. 

Springfield (Dick Groeber) -  This was the 2nd driest September for my station records dating back to 1968.  The driest was 0.33" in 1978. 

Thompson 5SW (Vance Lunn)- There were two hurrucane remnant systems.  Frances and Ivan remnants gave this station 1.98 inches rainfall from the 7th to the 9th, and 1.52 inches on the 16th and 17th.  This was most of the month's total rainfall.  Aside from these two systems, September was uneventful with very moderate temperatures.  There were threes days with fog.  No thunderstorms occured.

Wooster 7N (Jack Sisler) September was almost a normal month except for the strange precipitation pattern. Mean temperatures were two degrees above normal with no records occurring. For the second year in a row I had no 90-degree highs. Precipitation was 1.75 inches above normal for September with the yearly precipitation through September at 32.15 inches which is more than three inches above normal. The strange thing is I had 26 days without any precipitation but three of the four days had over an inch each day from the remnants of the hurricanes.



OWON # Station Mean Max Temp Mean Min Temp Mean Temp High Temp Date Low Temp Date Total Prec Max 24hr Prec Date


Prec Days

Total Snow Max 24hr Snow Date #  1"+ Snow Days Max Wind Gust Date
119 Akron 1W 74.4 56.8 65.6 83 5th 45 30th 4.44 2.32 8,9 5         24 28th
A Akron-Canton 74.7 54.5 64.6 82 22,16 41 30th 5.57 2.31 8th 6         35 17th
82 Centerville 1W 78.4 55.3 66.9 87 6th 44 19,20,30 0.78 0.43 8th 4         28 8th
A Cincinnati 77.4 58.7 68.1 86 5,6 47 18,30 0.79 0.63 3rd 3         32 17th
13 Cincinnati 5NW 79.8 62.2 71 90 19th 51 12,15 3.76 1.57 29th 9            
A Cleveland 75.3 56.3 65.8 85 5th 45 20th 3.22 1.82 8,9 5         37 17th
55 Cleves 3NW 81.2 56.1 68.7 89 23 45 30th 0.45 0.25 3rd 2         32 17th
A Columbus 78.0 58.0 68.0 87 6th 48 20th 2.98 1.17 17th 6         30 17th
A Dayton 77.6 55.5 66.6 86 23rd 41 30th 0.61 0.46 28th 5         37 17th
22 Kent 2E 75.6 52.3 64 83 5th 39 30th 5.20 1.75 17th 5         19 17th
430 Kent 2W 74.7 52.4 63.5 89 4,6 40 30th 4.47 2.33 8th 6         23 9th
2 Kidron 1N 78.7 55.2 67 86 22nd 43 30th 3.53 1.65 8th 7         18 6th
87 Lagrange 2SW 76.9 54.0 65.5 89 5th 42 20,30 3.36 1.92 8th 4         28 17th
A Mansfield 74.7 54.3 64.5 84 5,6 39 30th 2.92 1.95 8,9 6         31 17th
51 Middleburg Heights  2N               2.71 1.35 17th 6            
25 Munroe Falls 1SW                                  
32 North Ridgeville 1N               2.65 2.10 8th 7            
106 Newcomerstown 1S 78.5 55.1 66.8 87 5th 43 20th 7.66 4.73 7,8 4         25 8th
15 Ottawa 4E 78 53.5 66 87 22,23 38 30th 1.31 0.88 29th 9         30 17th
79 Perrysville 4W 75.2 53.3 64.3 83 5,6 39 30th 2.67 1.6 8th 4            
101 Ravenna 1E 77.9 58.4 68.1 86 4th 44 30th 4.06 1.88 8th 6         21 9th
121 Ravenna 1SE 74.87 52.83 63.85 84 5th 43 30th 5.72 2.48 8th 6            
33 Rockbridge 4W 77.4 56.7 67 87 6th 46 20th 6.85 4.52 7,8 5            
1 Springfield 2 79 56 67 87 5th 43 30th 0.69 0.48 8th 4         28 17th
112 Sugarcreek 2SW 76 53.9 65 83 5,22 40 30th 4.61 2.23 8th 6         24 17th
98 Thompson 5SW 73.5 53.8 63.6 82 5th 43 30th 3.77 1.95 8,9 9         14 9th
117 Tiltonsville 78.9 58 66.8 86 5th 45 19th 8.63 4.76 17th 416         31.2 8th
A Toledo 78.4 54.0 66.2 87 23rd 42 30th 1.43 0.70 6,7 8         29 17th
16 Wooster 7N 77 52.6 64.8 84 5th 39 30th 4.93 1.70 17th 4         23 17th
A Youngstown 74.4 52.5 62.5 82 5th 42 20,30 6.67 4.41 8,9 5         41 8th
OWON # Station Mean Max Temp Mean Min Temp Mean Temp High Temp Date Low Temp Date Total Prec Max 24hr Prec Date


Prec Days

Total Snow Max 24hr Snow Date #  1"+ Snow Days Max Wind Gust Date

 = Airport         



Date: Wed Sep 1, 2004 9:31 am

Subject: Re: Hurricane Frances... Impact on Ohio?


Don and Group:


Sure could be a disastrous situation anywhere along the east coast

as well as inland. I've seen forecasts of barometric pressure by the

time it makes U.S. landfall of 935mb (27.61 inches). When Hurricane

Andrew hit the mainland in 1992 it had a central pressure of 922mb

(27.23 inches). I think Andrew was considered to be the third or

fourth worst hurricane in history to hit the U.S.


Jack Sisler

Wooster 7N


--- In, Don Keating <eobic@y...> wrote:

> Hello Group;


> This might be a week in advance, but I have already heard many TV

weatherpeople mention a direct inpact of Hurricane Frances on our

weather as early as Labor Day. Will this be a repeat of what Isabel

did in 2003? Only time will tell. As this category 4 Hurricane

continues to strengthen and move westward, we should all keep a

close eye on it and hope and pray for those along the eastern

seaboard where ever it hits.


> If this storm hits us with rain and some winds, it could push my

station much closer to a record annual precipitation total. I have

already recorded over 40" of precip! The record is 50.91" in 1981.

This would be a dubious record if it is broken. Remember we STILL

have four full months of weather to go.


> Below is a visible satellite view of Frances taken @ 4:45 p.m.

eastern time today, August 31, 2004. I'll create a folder in the

photos section labled "Frances_04" and place this in there as well.

Any other thoughts on this storm?


> Don Keating #106

> Newcomerstown 1S


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Wed Sep 1, 2004 9:37 am

Subject: report for Aug.


Aug. monthly report's;

Ave.; Max.; 77.4F

Ave.; Minn.; 58.4F

Ave.; Temp.; 67.9F below by 2.9F

(coldest recorded such 1998. In 99 it was 69.2F.)

Highest was 87F on 3rd

Lowest was 47F on the 6th & 12th

Precip.; 5.10"/ 24 hour total 2.54" on the 29th

Above normal by 1.91"

Highest wind gust 35 M.P.H. on the 18th

Highest Baro.; 30.14" on the 15th

Lowest Baro.; 29.89" on the 30th

13 day's out of 31. with measureable Precip..

No snowfall yet!! Could this be one of the coldest year on



Putnam, Co.


Date: Wed Sep 1, 2004 9:45 am

Subject: Wx Data Pgms


Hi All,

I have ordered a program that might be what you have in mind. The actual

program that I ordered is designed for NWS Coop observers by former NWS

Daniel Lipinski who worked out of the Minneapolis NWS for many years. But

he has other programs as well. Daniel is now semi-retired and lives in the

northern part of Montana. He moved in March and has not had time to get all

of his computers set up, thus a delay in me receiving my copy of the pgm.

His web site is:


The program I have on order is the "CB91" . A fellow coop observer friend

has used this program for several years and highly recommends it. I will

follow up later after I receive it and get it installed.


Larry Huff

Munroe Falls


Date: Wed Sep 1, 2004 9:53 am

Subject: August Data


As expected, the summer of 2004 was the coolest since I have been keeping

records (1993). The mean temperature June, July, August was 67.3 F.

degrees. The previous coolest summer was 1997 and 2000 when the mean

was 67.9 F. degrees.


Other Data: Observations at 7AM

High Temperature 88 on the 3rd

Low Temperature 44 on the 22nd

Mean High Temperature 77.5

Mean Low Temperature 56.4

Monthly Mean Temperature 66.9


Total Precipitation 4.60

Max 24 hr Precipitation 1.09 on the 21st


5 fog days

4 thunder days


Larry Huff

Munroe Falls 1SW, OH

Summit County


Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 1:57 am

Subject: Re: August Data


My average for June, July, and Auguast at Thompson 5 SW was 65.9

degrees F. During the 3 months, The high was 87 on June 8th, and the

low was 41 on June 20th.




Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 8:39 am

Subject: Re: warning criteria




Everyone is correct. The NWS has a different priority given for

three classifications but these can be somewhat different at each

NWS office. See the "Files" section where you can download both the

basic and advanced spotters guide. If you want to download the

advanced spotters guide, depending on your connection, it will take

awhile to download.




Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 2:57 pm

Subject: Hurricane FRANCES: Images...


If FRANCES visits my rain gage, I shall save it.

Perhaps there'll be an ocean smell in the air

like HUGO.










- Patrick


Date: Fri Sep 3, 2004 2:54 pm

Subject: Warning Criteria




Hello. I have been off the last few days and and am late in getting in on the

conversation about severe weather warning criteria. If I may interrupt the

hurricane watch.


The official NWS criteria is...

1. Hail 3/4 inch or larger

2. Wind 58 mph (50 knots) or more

3. Tornado

4. Wind damage to a significant structure (which you would think would occur

above 58 mph)


Is this criteria in question? Absolutely.


I and most of the forecasters here would prefer to see the hail criteria


to 1 inch although there are tests that show that minor damage occurs with


inch hail (planes,

automobiles, and some building materials) and major damage can occur to crops

especially if it is wind blown (actually crop damage can occur with almost


size hail). I

believe our Skywarn spotters (I love em all!) tend to over report 3/4 inch


but that is an issue in itself. The wind criteria is OK.


A couple of years ago the NWS warning branch did a fairly extensive survey


users and found that they were generally quite happy with the current


so there are no

plans to change it.


There is some minor discussion of a lightning criteria but I doubt we will


it. I personally am often most nervous during storms with continuous cloud to

ground lightning. We

could do it with our lightning detection system.


The Canadians issue severe thunderstorm warnings for flooding rain but do not

issue flash flood warnings(?).


Jim Kosarik NWS CLE


Date: Fri Sep 3, 2004 5:18 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] August Data




Here is my data for August. I only have last August to compare them to, but

this August's mean temp. was four degrees lower than last August. The month

was pretty uneventful with only a handful of thunderstorm days.


High Temperature 90 (8-2-04)

Low Temperature 45 (8-22-04)

Mean High Temperature 77.45

Mean Low Temperature 56.65

Monthly Mean Temperature 67.05


Total Precipitation 3.80

Max 24 hr Precipitation 0.94 (8-19-04)

Precipitation Days - 13


6 thunderstorm days


Gary Locke

OWON #121

Ravenna 1SE (Portage County)


From: "James Kosarik" <>

Date: Sat Sep 4, 2004 2:46 pm

Subject: NEOCAMS Meeting


I hope everyone is enjoying the Labor Day weekend. Now that summer is

winding down we are finally getting summer weather! And, we get to watch

Hurricane Frances!


Thanks to all who came to our summer get-together at the Cuyahoga Valley

National Park. Please see the attached PDF file for the NEOCAMS

newsletter that Steve Bremcamp has put together.


Our next meeting will be in early October...

Date: Saturday, October 9th, 2004.

Time: 1:00 PM

Location: Skypark Airport, Wadsworth

Room 15G, Weltzien Skypark Airport, 3071 Greenwich Road, Wadsworth,


Speaker: Bud Stewart, Pilot, Ground School Instructor and Maintenance


Topic: Weather Factors Critical to Pilot Flight Planning and Flight



Mr. Bud Stewart will present weather training materials and exercises

used to prepare student pilots in their ground school's flight academy.

The discussion will focus on weather factors critical to the pilot and

pre-flight planning, briefing and NOTAMs, SIGMETs and AIRMETs. He has

invited other pilots to share their weather stories. A conference call

with the FAA has been scheduled to simulate a flight briefing so the

meeting will start promptly at 1 PM.



From the south/east:

Take I-77 to I-277/US-224 West. Take the OH-57 exit(#7) toward


After about a mile, turn left on Greenwich Road and follow signs to

Skypark Airport.

From the west/north:

Take I-71 to I-76 east. Exit at OH-57 and head south (left).

After about a mile, turn left on Greenwich Road and turn left at the

sign to Skypark Airport.


Note: please do not confuse Skypark Airport with Wadsworth Airport.

Skypark Airport is near an area marked "Acme" on most maps. It is west

of Wadsworth.


The parking lot at Skypark Airport is on the left by the BP Air Gas

sign. If the parking lot fills up we may be directed to the Civil Air

Patrol parking lot.


A hard copy of this message will arrive in the mail soon for paid

members and those on the mailing list.


Please make plans to attend this informative meeting. Any questions,

please contact one of the officers. See you in early Ocotober.


Jim Kosarik - President

Ronald Hahn - Vice President

Steve Bremkamp - Secretary

Dick Vader - Treasurer


Date: Sat Sep 4, 2004 4:20 pm

Subject: Eye re-developing?


Hi Group;

Don't know how many of you have been watching Frances, but I have noticed over the afternoon the center of the

Hurricane appears to be re-developing a "clear" eye so-to-speak. The 4:02 p.m. satellite photo is attached. What do

you think?

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Sat Sep 4, 2004 4:32 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Eye re-developing?



I also have been following Frances, and if you

checked out the water vapor loop, you could see the

eye re-developing clearer than the visible images.

I have weather-tap and that is where I get my views

from. This could be one very interesting hurricane to

follow. Now theres TS Ivan on Frances heels


Rich Rabatin

Ravenna 1E


Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 8:42 am

Subject: Re: August Data


Gary and Group:


It appears by what reports I've seen posted so far August was more

typical of June climatologically speaking. For me August 2004 was

the coldest and second wettest August on record since my records

began here in 1991. The mean temperature was 67.2 degrees.

Precipitation for the month was 5.22 inches due in part because of

the 2.36 inch 24-hour rainfall I had on the 19th which was the

second highest 24-hour rainfall I've ever recorded.


Anyone else experience this kind of pattern for August?



Wooster 7N

Wayne County


Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 4:38 pm

Subject: WOW !!!



As incredible as it may seem, this being the 6'th of September, I have yet to record measurable rainfall this

month! What a change from the last two weeks in August. However... seems as if the remnants of Frances are going to end that streak. Does anyone have any idea of what is

being forecast for rainfall amounts for Ohio?

Also, I should mention and note that my annaul precipitation has NOT actually passed the 40 inch mark.

Going through my records I noticed a difference of 0.28" between the actual monthly 2004 records and the

reading on my indoor console for the Monitor II. The reading the console had was 40.09. However the

monthly totals equal out to 39.81". I discovered that every time we have heavy fog it actually tips the bucket

once or twice. I made adjustments to the daily records on the computer, but those did not change the console

reading. So my 2004 precipitation is actually 39.81" and not the previously thought 40.09".

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 5:34 pm

Subject: records



If I was you I would check with the N.W.S. out of

Cleveland or the N.W.S. that gaves your local forecast out

of your area..To get what is normal for your area. As for

what Frances is going to do. That will be up to Frances..

In this area we alread had 0.28" of rainfall so far this

month. An that is -0.22" below normal for us here in N.W.


So far today we had a Hi temperature of 85F & a morning

low of 64F, right now @ 5:33 p.m. it's 84F with a Dew

point of 65F & the rel. Hum. @ 53%, with a Baro. of 29.76

with a S wind blowing at 6-8 M.P.H.

4-E Putnam, Co.


Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 5:45 pm

Subject: Message From a 2Way Device


Group, Check for the layest on

all forecast data including what to expect fom 'francis' and 'ivan'.

Dick Groeber.


Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 7:11 pm

Subject: Re: WOW !!!




Go to to read the Flood

Potential Outlook. It appears the morning GFS model is giving 2-7

inches between Interstate 71 and the Ohio/Pennsylvania border by

Thursday afternoon. The 7 inch target is at the OH/PA border. Of

course these are estimates and the track can change but it's

something to keep our eyes on.


I had an inch of rain in an hour early Saturday morning from a

thunderstorm complex that moved through. For early September the

grass is about as green as I've seen it for this time of year in a

long time.



Wooster 7N


Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 7:42 pm

Subject: Whoa!!


Whoa, hey! We could get soaked this week. I wasn't thinking to much

about Frances becuase she crossed Florida pretty much east to west.

It looks like she took a hard right at the light, though, and her

remnants are coming this way! That, along with a cold front could

make it awfully wet around here. I'd better finish mowing the lawn




Thompson 5 SW (Northern Geauga Co.)


Date: Mon Sep 6, 2004 8:04 pm

Subject: My tipping bucket ain't tipping!


My tipping bucket rain collector (Davis) isn't tipping every 0.01"

like it should. I tested it just now by pouring a known 1.00" amount

of water into it and it only measured 0.26". Anyone have any ideas

on how to fix this?




Date: Tue Sep 7, 2004 7:52 pm

Subject: Rainfall Totals from Frances




It might be interesting to post rainfall totals from the remnants of

Frances and make some comparisons to what some of the models are

predicting. If things hold together we may see some records broken

for 24-hour rainfall by some of you.


Jack Sisler

OhioWx Group Moderator


Date: Tue Sep 7, 2004 7:35 pm

Subject: Frances and Frederic.


As Frances approaches I am reminded of an event that happened 25 years

ago this month. How many of you were keeping weather records then? At

that time I was living in Reynoldsburg in southeastern Franklin County.

On Sept. 12 I wrote in my weather diary "At least 400,000 people have

fled the Gulf Coast as Hurricane Frederic with 130 m.p.h. winds, moves

toward landfall between Pensacola, Florida and Biloxi, Mississippi." On

Sept. 13 I wrote "Rain began between 3:30 & 4 p.m. and became heavy to

very heavy at times after 7 p.m.(1 3/4" by 10 p.m.). Rain was from the

remains of Hurricane Frederic." By midnight the rainfall total was 2.26".

"Rain stopped around 11 p.m. and began again after midnight."


"Heavy rain and very windy(N)around 5 a.m.". The total rainfall was

5.78"(17 hours) at my Reynoldsburg weather station when the rain finally

ended between 8:30 & 9 a.m. on Sept.14. At the National Weather Service

at Port Columbus International Airport the total rainfall was 4.86", a

24-hour record for Columbus.


For more information check page 219 in Thunder in The Heartland by

Schmidlin & Schmidlin.

Jim Fry

Rockbridge 4W

OWON #33


Date: Tue Sep 7, 2004 10:47 pm

Subject: Re: Rainfall Totals from Frances



I know this is a bit early, but from 6:00 PM-9:30 PM I already

got 1.76" of rain, from some very stationary thunderstorms. That is

only .08" less than my entire total for August!



Lancaster 3NE


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 8:29 am

Subject: Message From a 2Way Device


Group, The latest from the NHC forecast for Ivan

shows it heading to western Florida this time next week.

Here in Springfield, we are on the western edge of the rain shield so am

not expecting much. Might be some wind. Dick Groeber.


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 11:00 am

Subject: Rainfall Forecasts




HPC's 12z (8 a.m.) 24-hour rainfall estimates still have 1-6 inch

rainfall forecasts over the eastern half of Ohio with the heaviest

amounts over southeast and eastern Ohio.


I encourage anyone to report heavy rainfall totals and/or damage

reports due to flooding for the group. Although I personally feel

some rainfall forecast amounts are overestimated this still could be

a serious situation before the day is out Thursday.



Wooster 7N

Wayne County


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 2:30 pm

Subject: Hocking County Rainfall.


Total rainfall at my weather station here in northwest Hocking County


3:00 p.m. Wednesday has been 3.16".

Jim Fry

Rockbridge 4W

OWON #33


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 4:58 pm

Subject: Rainfall total so far... Newcomerstown, Ohio


From 10 p.m. Tuesday September 7'th through 4:50 p.m. Wednesday September 8'th, 2004 a total of 3.00" of

rain has fallen. In the past hour 0.75" of rain has been measured. Since reporting the rainfall to the NWS @

PGH, .05" of additional has fallen, bringing the total to 3.05".

Don Keating #106

Skywarn Spotter I.D. TU - 093

Newcomerstown, OH

Tuscarawas County


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 4:42 pm

Subject: Hocking County Rainfall.


Total rainfall at my weather station here in northwest Hocking County

through 5:00 p.m. Wednesday has been 4.26"(includes 1.10" between 3 &

5.00 p.m.)

Jim Fry

Rockbridge 4W

OWON #33 .


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 7:34 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Rainfall total so far... Newcomerstown, Ohio


Don & Group:

I was wondering what you had down there so far. The radar estimated storm total as of just a bit ago for

the Cambridge area was 6 - 6.5". I realize that those are rough but I would have thought you might be a

little higher. Here at Ravenna 1SE I have had about 1.5" total since the beginning of the event.

Gary Locke

Ravenna 1SE


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 7:42 pm

Subject: Spreadsheet for tracking weather data



Jack had recently put out a feeler for info on databases or other software that people use for tracking their

weather observations. I will be uploading the one that I use to the files section of the group page. It is

nothing fancy, it is done in Excel 2000, and has some of my own specific "things" in it. Feel free to look at

it and use it if you like. Some of the info is automatically entered (it will find the high and low temp in a

given month) but some of the info on the year-end summary page needs to be entered manually. I looked

at the info that Larry Huff had posted in response to Jack's query and it looked pretty nice. Larry, if you

see this, I am also wondering if that package is written using older programs and will run ok on newer

Window's platforms? If not, do they plan on upgrading it? If you have any questions about my

spreadsheet stuff, let me know.


Gary Locke

Ravenna 1SE


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 7:45 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Rainfall total so far... Newcomerstown, Ohio


Gary & Group;

Point received. Through 7:45 p.m. I have now recorded 4.13" of rainfall. Remember that Cambridge is 20

miles south of me, and the rainfall that hit there has been moving NW instead of in my direction, to the north.

I am just 0.24" from equaling the 24 hour record for my station. Personally I'm kind of hoping it's broken,

but, I am starting to have my doubts. I'll post again around 10 p.m. to let you know what happened. Take



Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 8:29 pm

Subject: Record Established and growing



As of 8:30 p.m. my reading of rainfall is now at 4.46" and it is still raining. I am now recording with the

manual rain guage as my Davis is now doing the same thing someone just mentioned on the list a few days

ago... it's not recording every tip of the bucket. Heck of a time for it to start acting up!!

Don Keating #106

newcomerstown 1S


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 9:26 pm

Subject: Lancaster 3NE Total


Here are my totals(as of 9:22 PM)...

9/7: 1.79"

9/8: 2.42"


That makes 4.21" since 9/7 at 6:00 PM.


I will be watching the Hocking River tomorrow.


The highest recorded total I have seen so far for ohio is 7.29" at

Chandlersville, in SE Muskingum County.


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 10:11 pm

Subject: Record Rainfall ... Newcomerstown 1S



From 10 p.m. September 7'th to 10 p.m. September 8'th, 2004 I have recorded a 24 hour rainfall total of

4.73". That surpasses the previous 24 hour record was 4.37" on August 12, 2001. It is raining moderately now

and I'll post tomorrow on the "storm total" tomorrow sometime.


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 12:19 am

Subject: Event rainfall for Francis remnants


Rainfall today at Thompson 5 SW was 1.53". A light rain had been

falling all day to early evening when this increased in intensity.

Winds increased also at about this time and have been blowing fairly

steady. Windspeed numbers are never very exciting at my station due

to the wooded surroundings tempering the wind. A top gust of 12 mph

was recorded, but away from the woods, I estimate a beaufort scale of

perhaps 4 (13-18 mph) with some gusts in the 5 range (18-24 mph).



Thompson 5 SW (northern Geauga Co.)


Date: Wed Sep 8, 2004 11:43 pm

Subject: Hocking County Rainfall.


Total rainfall at my weather station in northwest Hocking County from

9:00 p.m., Tuesday, September 7 through midnight, Wednesday, September 8

was 4.62".

Jim Fry

Rockbridge 4W

OWON #33


Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 6:22 am

Subject: Wx Program


Gary and Group,


Gary wrote:

"I looked at the info that Larry Huff had posted in response to Jack's quer=

y and

it looked pretty nice. Larry, if you see this, I am also wondering if that=


is written using older programs and will run ok on newer Window's



Daniel Lipinski, the program designer, told me that his programs work best =


Windows 98. As I get more information, I will pass it along to you.




Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 6:43 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Event rainfall for Frances remnants



From 10 p.m. Tuesday night September 7'th to the last drops of rainfall Thursday morning September 9'th, I

recorded a storm total of 4.96". A total of 4.73" fell in the first 24 hour period, establishing a new 24 HR


I hate to bring it up already considering it hasn't even made landfall anywhere in the US, but I have heard a

TV forecaster mention that Ivan is very possibly going to do the same thing to Ohio that Frances just did.

Any comments?

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 7:22 am

Subject: Rainfall


Total rainfall for the past 24 hours ending at 7am 9/9/04 amounted to 2.34



Larry Huff

Munroe Falls 1SW

Summit County


Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 8:11 am

Subject: Message From a 2Way Device


Group, Here in Springfield, we were on the

western edge of the rain area. Total rainfall was .48 inch.

Dick Groeber.


Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 10:01 am

Subject: Rainfall/Comments




My storm total which all came within a 24-hour period was 2.12

inches; kind of minuscule compared to many of you to the south and

east of me.This puts my monthly total at 3.23 inches. I guess I feel

somewhat fortunate after reading or hearing about some of the

devastation that has taken place. I did hear about one fatality,

that of a 9-year-old girl drowning along a swollen creek near

Newcomerstown (Tuscarawas County). Maybe Don can elaborate on that.


We may be doing this all over again with Ivan by the middle of next

week depending on the track. According to the NHC, as of now,

landfall may occur sometime Monday. Way too early to know what

influence, if any, it will have on Ohio. My opinion is the more of a

westerly path it takes putting Ivan into the Gulf of Mexico before

making a turn north the greater the chances of more flooding rains

in Ohio. Any opinions on that?


In regards to the rain gauge issue, there is nothing more accurate

than making manually recorded readings from a standard rain gauge.

The tipping-bucket rain gauge (from Davis) DOES NOT accurately

record rainfall amounts during periods of heavy rainfall. Such was

the case during this even where there was almost a half-inch

difference. I have done comparisons with both before and it is

fairly accurate up to a half to three-fourths maybe but after that I

will use my cylindrical gauge. I can't speak for other manufacturers

but this is one of the drawbacks to these types as well as not being

able to record snowfall accurately with or without a heater. Any

comments on this issue?


Empty out your rain gauges and keep your eyes to the south.


Jack Sisler

Wooster 7N

Wayne County


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 10:37 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Event rainfall for Frances remnants


Right now I believe that Ivan may NOT do the same thing as Frances did. Cause it's to far to the south &

the water around Fla. been turn up..My thought's are that Ivan may just go NNW an hit Mexico & turn to

the NNE along the coast..That's my thoughts.

We here in N.W.O. didn't get very much rainfall from Frances, just Traces amount's.

Had some lt. rain this morning, 0.01"

Right now the present reading are showing;

Present; 66F

Low was 60F at 7:02 a.m.

Baro. @ 29.87"

Winds out of the NNW 3 M.P.H.(But have trees blocking it.)


Putnam, Co.


Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 11:20 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Rainfall/Comments



Agreed on your rain guage comments. I'm rather miffed at the poor performance of the Davis tipping bucket

guage with this event. The manual guage will be used from here on out and I'll manually record the rain

amounts in my program with the Davis computer program.

The local farm I work at, just 1 mile west of Newcomerstown, recorded 5.65" of storm total. With this in

mind I'm adjusting my "storm total" upwards to 5.56".

They say go with your gut feeling. My gut feeling is to look out for category 5 hurricane Ivan. I have a strong

gut feeling this is going to be a serious problem next week. I hope I'm wrong.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 1:53 pm

Subject: rainfall update


I had another 0.41" rain since midnight for an event total of 1.94".



Thompson 5 SW


Date: Thu Sep 9, 2004 7:20 pm

Subject: Additional Info Regarding the Flooding Situation




It appears as the day went along the flooding situation in eastern

and southern Ohio is worse than I or others thought.


My son-in-law, who is a paramedic and volunteer fireman, said a call

was put out to area-wide agencies looking for volunteers to help

with the relief efforts. He said he would volunteer if he could find

someone to take over his shift.


I think, regardless of what our religious beliefs or affiliations

are, we need to stop what we're doing and take a moment to offer our

prayers to those victims in distress. Hopefully, Hurricane Ivan will

not aggravate the situation.


Jack Sisler

OhioWx Group Moderator


Date: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:55 pm

Subject: Your Valuable Information




I would like to thank all of you for your comments and information

over the past several days because it's been useful and informative

to many. Please continue the posting.


I would like to bring up another issue that may involve people

requesting your help. Because of the inclement weather in Ohio

associated with the remnants from Hurricane Frances that brought

from three to seven inches of rain, extensive damage due to flooding

and a few fatalities in some parts of Ohio, don't be surprised if

you are contacted to provide beneficial information. Over the years

I've been contacted several times over the years by groups and

organizations such as the National Weather Service, insurance

companies, and other agencies wanting weather information from me

personally or to provide a contact person (including someone within

the OhioWx Group or Ohio Weather Observers Network) who lives in or

close to the area that was affected and are looking for information

(ex: rainfall amounts, wind gusts, etc.)If someone contacts me

wanting personal contact information from someone other than myself

I will not provide that information to them until I've gotten the

approval from that individual. Only after I receive that approval

will I provide names, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.


I consider it to be an honor to be able to provide this kind of

service. So whether you might be asked to provide weather

information for an event that happened in the past or in the future

you are providing a valuable service.


Jack Sisler

OhioWx Group Moderator


Date: Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:01 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Your Valuable Information



You have my permission to use my name and ect. if


Out of the remnants of Frances, I recorded 2.08" of


Before the rains came, the night before I double

checked my wireless rain gauge to my manual one, and

there was only .02" difference, so not bad for a Radio

Shack wireless weather station.

Let hope Ivan by passes us this time as we do not

need anymore rain, at least here.


Rich Rabatin

Ravenna 1E


Date: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:11 pm

Subject: Two more deaths because of Frances' flood waters



I just watched the headlines on WCMH TV 4 from Columbus and they mentioned a car has been discovered

near Cambridge that was submerged in wated. A 41 year old woman and a 43 year old woman were in the

car. They apparently dropped off the road, didn't see the edge of the road, whatever, and their car went into

the flood waters. This was discovered in Wills Creek. This brings the Ohio deaths to at least four. Three of

them with-in 25 miles of Newcomerstown.

A friend of mine told me that on his way to work this morning in the heavy fog, he spotted what he thought

was water covering just the right side of the road. He moved to the left to avoid the water, and discovered

water covered the entire road. His car stopped and he got out of it, to discover the water was knee deep on

him and he is 5' 11". The car could have easily hydroplanned and ended up in the Tuscarawas River.

Please be careful out there.


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:05 pm

Subject: Ivan and Ohio




It appears Ivan is wanting to continue a westward course before

making a turn north. This would put it into the Gulf of Mexico

making its landfall in the Florida panhandle Wednesday afternoon.

Again, it is way too early to know what effects it will have for

Ohio but if Ivan were to hold this course it would follow a path

similar to Frances.


This mornings GFS model already had the low pressure of Ivan right

over Ohio by next Saturday with a pressure of 994 millibars (29.35")

which is a pretty deep low by then.


Any other thoughts on Ivan's path next week?



Wooster 7N


Date: Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:12 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Ivan and Ohio


Jack & Group;

Again I have the gut feeling that Ivan will directly affect Ohio. I just saw on TWC that the central pressure

on this monster is now 26.91" !!! I'm not sure what the World record is for a low pressure reading, but

certainly Ivan has got to be getting up there in the "Top 10" or "Top 25" lowest pressure readings.

Last week at this time I was telling friends of mine that I firmly believed Frances was going to dump 1.5 to 4.0

inches of rain on us. Look what happened... 5.56". Now I'm not saying this about Ivan but I STILL firmly

believe Ivan WILL directly impact our weather with heavy rains again. If it were to dump similar amounts of

rainfall in my guage as did Frances, we'd be looking at the potential for a monthly record.

I wonder what we'll be reporting on this e-mail list a week from today?

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Sun Sep 12, 2004 9:38 am

Subject: Flood Damage Assistance Information




I came across this information as part of the news on my ISP

concerning information for state disaster assistance due to last

week's floods. Perhaps any of you in the effected areas can pass

this information on if needed. Thanks





. News & Events - Press Releases


NEWS RELEASE Governor Bob Taft





COLUMBUS (September 10, 2004) - Governor Bob Taft today announced

that disaster assistance is available through the Ohio Department of

Job and Family Services for victims of the recent floods and severe

weather in nine additional counties: Belmont, Guernsey, Harrison,

Jefferson, Morgan, Muskingum, Noble, Perry, and Tuscarawas. Victims

in Columbiana County were declared eligible for assistance August 31.


"The State of Ohio stands ready to assist those in need," Taft

said. "This assistance is available immediately to help families who

were impacted by the recent severe weather."


Families residing in Belmont, Guernsey, Harrison, Jefferson, Morgan,

Muskingum, Noble, Perry and Tuscarawas counties may qualify for up

to $1,500 in disaster assistance. Certain elderly and disabled

individuals may qualify for up to $750 in disaster assistance.


In order to be eligible for up to $1,500 in Temporary Assistance for

Needy Families (TANF) disaster assistance money, families must

include a minor child, or pregnant woman, and have evidence of

economic need. Elderly and disabled individuals in these counties

who are not eligible for TANF assistance may be eligible for one-

time cash assistance of up to $750. Only one payment may be made per

dwelling. To be eligible for this type of assistance, a person must

be at least 55 years old and childless or receiving certain

disability benefits; impacted by the severe weather; and provide

evidence of an economic need to the county department of job and

family services.


Each year, ODJFS reserves $5 million in TANF funding for disaster

victims in counties declared in a state of emergency.


Applications will be accepted at the following county departments of

job and family services:



310 Fox Shannon Place

St. Clairsville 43950

(740) 695-1074



110 N. Nelson Ave

Lisbon 44432

(330) 424-1471



324 Highland Ave

Cambridge 43725

(740) 432-2381



520 N. Main St.

Cadiz 43907

(740) 942-2171




125 S. Fifth St

Steubenville 43952

(740) 282-0961



155 E. Main St.

McConnelsville 43756

(740) 962-4616



445 Woodlawn Ave.

Zanesville 43701

(740) 454-0161



18065 St. Rt. 78

Caldwell 43724

(740) 732-2392



212 S. Main St

New Lexington 43764

(740) 342-3551



389 16th St. SW

New Philadelphia 44663

(330) 339-7791


Date: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:54 pm

Subject: Ohio and Ivan




From what I can see it doesn't look like the remnants of Ivan will

affect most of Ohio as earlier thought. Even though there is still a

lot of uncertainty of the track after Ivan makes landfall models are

putting out precipitation amounts of 1-3 inches in the extreme

southern counties late Sunday and Monday. Even that amount wouldn't

take much to create additional flooding in those areas.


I'm wondering if T.S. Jeanne would make matters worse by going up

the east coast about the same time Ivan is heading up the Ohio




Wooster 7N


Date: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:09 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Ohio and Ivan


Jack and Group;

Okay, I'll take a position on the other side of the fence here. In my opinion Ivan has been rather

unpredictable so far. Afterall, it never crossed Cuba as was expected. In fact the eye of this storm has never,

to my knowledge, crossed land.

What if... the cold front forecast to move into and through Ohio, stalls out and the remnants move up the

front? I mean, I think all possibilities should still be looked at here. Even on the NHC 3-5 day projection they

aren't sure what it's going to do. I'm not an advocate of catastrophic weather conditions, but I think we

should keep our guard up. Just my opinion.

Don Keating


Date: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:27 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Ohio and Ivan


Jack & Group;

I feel that Ivan should hang south of Ohio & only just parts of southern part of Ohio might get some heavly

rains. But we here in N.W.O. shouldn't get NOTHING...

Just have to keep our guard up...



From: "E. Stapleton" <>

Date: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:31 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Ohio and Ivan


According to NWS projections, Ivan is going to stall around eastern

Tennessee -- right over the mountains. I'm sort of wondering whether

the cold front could provide a north-northeastward acceleration ala

Hurricane Floyd. If so, we could be in for a washout (let's hope not!)


I don't see T.S. Jeanne moving quickly enough to catch up with Ivan's

remnants before they would be pushed out to sea. The question (as I

think of this) would be whether Ivan's remnants could be fuel for an

explosive strengthening of Jeanne as she makes her way towards the East

Coast. Yet Jeanne is so far out it's still difficult to tell whether

she'll even make U.S. landfall.


Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:25 pm

Subject: Rainfall - Hocking County.


Total rainfall(from Ivan)through noon today(Friday, September 17)at my

home in northwest Hocking County has been 1.73".

Jim Fry

Rockbridge 4W

OWON #33


Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:55 pm

Subject: Serious Situation Occurring




Heavy rains with rainfall amounts of up to six inches in some

locations in eastern and southeast Ohio is creating flooding,

evacuations, and mudslides.


A call for mutual aide from officials in Belmont Clounty was issued

to fire departments in Wayne County.


Lets hear some reports on rainfall, damage, etc. especially from

those in the eastern half of the state. As of about 3 p.m I've

received 1.69 inches since 6 p.m. yesterday when the rain began.


Jack Sisler

Wooster 7N

Wayne County


Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:22 pm

Subject: Hocking County Rainfall.


Total rainfall(from Ivan)through 2:00 p.m., Friday, at my home in

northwest Hocking County was 2.12".

Jim Fry

Rockbridge 4W

OWON #33


Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:13 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Serious Situation Occurring




As of 5:15 p.m. I have received a total of 1.86"


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:15 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Serious Situation Occurring



Here in Ravenna,atleast at my station, I have gotten

1.76" since about 430 pm yesterday when the rains

started. It is still raining here as of 515pm, but

has let up some. Radar looks like the rain should end

in a couple of hours.


Rich Rabatin

Ravenna 1E


Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:28 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Serious Situation Occurring



At Fairfield County (Lancaster 3NE) I received

1.79" (as of 5:30 PM). I can personally say that in

Athens County there are many places with water

covering the roads (US 33 for one). Ohio U got 4.53"

of rain today. (





Date: Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:58 pm



Total rainfall(from Ivan)at my home here in northwest Hocking County was


Jim Fry

Rockbridge 4W

OWON #33


Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:59 am

Subject: Rain Data


Total rainfall for the past 24 hours as of 7 am today (Saturday 9/18) was




Larry Huff

Munroe Falls 1SW

Summit County



Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:04 am

Subject: From Ivan


We were luckly....

We didn't very much rainfall from Ivan...

The last measurable rainfall was .06" on the 16th.

Other then that we only had a Tr. yesterday with HI

winds. The Highest winds were 30 M.P.H., had to go

back to the 9th for any more measurable rainfall. On

that date we only had .02".

Well here it is, the last full weekend of Summer. This

morning we were down to 45F.

Right now it's 48F @ 8:03 a.m.

I guess I kind of miss the frist frost.........

Fall come's in this Wednesday around 12:20 p.m.. Any

guess when we might see our first Snowfall??



Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:53 pm

Subject: rai9nfall from yesterday


We ended up with 1.40" rain from Ivan remnants, which was surprising

to me becuase I hadn't heard that the system was supposed to come

this far north. They were saying that the effects would be mostly

in southern Ohio.



Thompson 5 SW (northern Geauga Co.)


Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:40 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] rainfall from yesterday


Vance and Group;

I ended up with an even 2.10" from Ivan. This fell from 5 a.m. Friday til about 7:30 p.m. Friday. I heard a

well respected TV weather forecaster say about the impact of Ivan on the Cleveland area "I don't think we'll

see a drop of rain from Ivan" or something like that. Jim Kosarik, could you tell us how much rainfall was

recorded at CLE from this storm?

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:00 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] rainfall from yesterday


We received 0.97" here in Brunswick (Medina County).




From: "Robert M Flory" <>

Date: Sat Sep 18, 2004 4:18 pm

Subject: August's Weather Statistics for Centerville 1W


Weather statistics for the month of August for Centerville 1W.

High Temp (Date) ... 91 / 19th

Low Temp (Date) ... 47 / 12th

Mean High ... 79.6

Mean Low ... 59.0

Monthly Mean ... 69.3

Total Precipitation ... 2.01"

Max 24 hr Precipitation (Date) ... 0.66" / 20th

Number of Precipitation Days... 8

Total Snowfall... 0.0"

Max 24 hr Snowfall (Date) ...

Max Snow Depth at time of observation ... 0"

High Wind Gust (Date) ... 26 MPH / 4th

Thunderstorm Days ... 3

Highest Barometer (Date) ... 30.35" / 16th

Lowest Barometer (Date) ... 29.84" / 4th

Average High Wind Gust... 15.5 MPH

Year To Date Precipitation . 31.23"


Robert Flory - KA5RUC

Centerville 1W

Southeast Montgomery County

Ohio Weather Observer Network #82

Wilmington NWS Skywarn ID OMT405



From: PjrOhio@EarthLink.Net

Date: Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:00 am

Subject: Re: Ohio and Ivan / Don's Sep 15th "What if..." / My Rain-Train and IVAN Rainfall Total...


Thursday's Rain-Train and IVAN Rainfall Total in north Wadsworth:




Date: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:19 am

Subject: Re: Ohio and Ivan / Don's Sep 15th "What if..." / My Rain-Train and IVAN Rainfall Total...


Don, Patrick and Group:


I'll concede on that one. I thought it was going to stay further



My son-in-law returned home last night after spending three days

with other area fire departments providing mutual aid for Belmont

County where they received over six inches. He said some of the

flooding was so high that all you could see was the tops of chimneys

of the house.




Date: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:26 am

Subject: time recoded


I don't know what time other people record there weathe data. I would like to know.

I record my at 9:30 p.m. everyday.. I feel by doing this I will have the Hi temperature of the day recorded

& the low for that morning...

I talk to Mr. Burholder from Pandora about t his & he say's about the same thing.

As long as you get it done before 1/2 or so of the time you have it set for.

Any commets on this subject???


Phil (4-E Putnman, Co.)


Date: Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:39 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] time recoded



I have always recorded my daily data at midnight. No exceptions. I believe if I talk about a low of 22 for the

22'nd of November, then it should have been recorded on the 22'nd. I can also see how it is acceptable to

record your daily extremes at 7 a.m. for the NWS. But I'd rather do it at midnight.


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:49 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Ohio and Ivan / Don's Sep 15th "What if..." / My Rain-Train and IVAN Rainfall Total...



Thanks for your commentary! :-) I really don't have any solid reasoning for why I predictided "Ivan" to do

what I did, but I did. I take a certain amount of pride knowing I was somewhat right. However, in Jack's post

regarding his son spending three days in Belmont County, I would have much rather been way wrong in my

forecast and had no flooding, loss of property, etc in Ohio or other states than being correct with the loss of

property and so on.

Does anyone know if there was loss of life in Ohio, Pennsylvania or West Virginia from Ivan's remnants

moving through? I haven't heard of any.

My crystal ball? Hmmmmm. Sunshine through Thursday the way it looks right now and beautiful early

"Fall" weather. I'm also thinking November may repeat 2003 and 2002 in the way of possibly a tornado

outbreak in Ohio. Hope I'm wrong. But I personally think the seasons are "shifting" a bit.


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:05 pm

Subject: Record Low


This mornings reading of 43 at 7:04 a.m. broke the previous record low of 44 which was established in 1996.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:44 am

Subject: Check this stat out


September 19, 1955 - Hurricane Ione made landfall near Morehead City, North Carolina with winds

near 100 mph. 16.63 inches of rain fell at Maysville, North Carolina. Extensive flooding caused severe

damage to crops. 40 blocks of New Bern, North Carolina were underwater at one point. 7 people lost

their lives and total damage was $88 million. This was the third hurricane to cross eastern North

Carolina in 5 weeks. Never before had so many hurricanes had affected the area within such a short

period of time.

michael holt


Date: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:44 pm

Subject: Photos Wanted






For those that notice, I try to change the photo of the home page of

the OhioWx Group on a regular basis. I try to find photos from

various sources including those from some of you in the group. My

source of supply is kind of dwindling, much of it due to the fact

that one begins running into problems with copyright infringment or

having to go through a big ordeal in obtaining permission to use the

photograph even for individual or non-profit purposes.


This is why I'm asking any of you to grab your camera (digital,

35mm, etc.) and take some pictures, weather related of course. This

covers a lot of territory and can include photos of the sunsets and

sunrises, cloud formations, lightning, snow, a combination of, etc.

You must upload the pictures with a .jpg (JPEG) or .gif (GIF)

extension with the file name. Bitmap (.bmp) will not work here. In

order to keep things somewhat organized I will go ahead and put a

folder in the Photos section and name it "OhioWx Photos". That way

the photos won't all get mixed up with the photos already in the

Photos section. If some of you that already have photos in the

Photos section would like to have them put in the other folder just

be sure they have the correct extension. I will try to give credit

to the individual who submitted the photos I use as long as I know

their name. Many times I try to post photos that are in conjunction

with the season; lightning pictures in the Spring/Summer, snow in

the Winter, clouds/sun anytime of the year. However, there is no set

rule it has to be done that way. If anyone has a source for getting

weather photos and would like to post them with the group just be

sure you get their permission and name for credit purposes.


Anybody can take pictures and none of us are professional

photographers. Lets have some fun with this. Thanks.


Jack Sisler

OhioWx Group Moderator


Date: Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:09 pm

Subject: Ohio's Average Rainfall




While looking for some other information I came across some

information related to rainfall in Ohio. According to one of the

state agencies the average rainfall for Ohio is 38 inches. Right now

I'm at just a little over 32 inches. I know there is a wide range of

rainfall in Ohio but if the pattern continues I wouldn't be

surprised to see some yearly rainfall records broken, especially

over the eastern half of Ohio.


Anyone hear any monetary figures combined from all the damage of the

past few months?



Wooster 7N


Date: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:07 pm

Subject: Tropical Depression Ivan


Hi all!

I just noticed that Ivan has redeveloped down in the gulf and is expected to strengthen to a tropical storm

before making landfall again in Texas. I haven't been watching as closely since Ivan made landfall last

week and missed how this happened. Can anyone help me out?




From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:33 pm

Subject: bonus days


Another Bonus Day!!!!!!!

Hi 87F

Low 50

@ 4:32 p.m. 87F

From here are out, when we get into the upper 80F for daytime Hi's we are

having a Bonus day...

Even oh the month is showing Fall. Mother Nature is having other idea's...


Putnam, Co.


Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:05 pm

Subject: Message From a 2Way Device


Group. Does anyone understand why the National

Weather Service named the storm in the Gulf of Mexico 'Ivan'? Ivan went


there last week and then up the mountains and out to sea. This storm should


been named 'Mitch'. Dick Groeber.


Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:10 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Message From a 2Way Device


Dick & Group;

I agree with you. I heard more than one TV meteorologist mention that yesterday. Seems there is even a rift

going on at the NHC according to one TV weatherman.

Don Keating


From: "E. Stapleton" <>

Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:01 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Message From a 2Way Device


No, it should NOT have been named "Mitch." It would have been named

"Matthew." Mitch was retired after the 1998 hurricane that devastated

Central America (specifically, Nicaragua and Honduras.)


There are compelling reasons for and against the revival of Ivan.

Apparently The Weather Channel has a good series of satellite images

showing the continuity of circulation.


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:30 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Message From a 2Way Device


Dick Groeber & Group;

You know why they name that storm in the Gulf of Mexico Ivan? Cause Ivan DIDN'T DIE OUT!! It made

the trip all the way around the area & ended back up in the Gulf again. Hurricane's does this onces awhile...

A Hurricane must die competely out before it is done. Well Ivan wasn't done yet. (It didn't die out


The Weather Channel show's this....Tune in on the Weather Channel at 50 minutes toward the hour. Then

you will see what I am saying..


Putnam, Co.


Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:56 am

Subject: Re: Message From a 2Way Device




I think I would have to take sides with Phil on this one. As he says

as long as the NHC thought that those remnants were of Ivan it would

still be under the same name, even if it would only have been

considered a tropical depression or wave. This was somewhat of an

unusual situation by it doing almost a 360 degree loop.


Speaking of Ivan, or the remnants thereof, when it went up the Ohio

Valley with flooding rains there appears to be a firestorm of

controversy between the town of Marietta and the National Weather

Service because there was apparently the NWS dropped the flood

warning for them and then reissued it late last Friday. See the

Marietta Times article

( guess

there will be a review on this. Apparently computer models were

saying one thing at one time but with more information later things



Other opinions?



Wooster 7N


From: "Amber Dalakas" <>

Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:21 am

Subject: Ohio flooding from Ivan



> Speaking of Ivan, or the remnants thereof, when it went up the Ohio

> Valley with flooding rains there appears to be a firestorm of

> controversy between the town of Marietta and the National Weather

> Service because there was apparently the NWS dropped the flood

> warning for them and then reissued it late last Friday. See the

> Marietta Times article


Here are some incredible pictures of the Marietta area and the flooding -

truly hard to believe.


Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:47 pm

Subject: Re: Ohio flooding from Ivan


Nice job Amber. I put the link to it in the Links section so

everyone can refer to it later if they want. I was trying to see if

I could spot my son anywhere. He and a group from Athens went to

help with the cleanup and are suppose to return to Athens this

weekend the last we heard. Had been through Marietta many times

while transporting him between Wooster and Athens. I can identify

some of those pictures.




Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:37 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Message From a 2Way Device


Hello Jack;

First off, after reconsidering the circumstances to Ivan's regrowth over the past 48 hours, I agree, it was the

proper thing to do to reissue the name Ivan to the storm. I guess I spoke without knowing all of the "facts"

and for that I apologize, especially to Elizabeth, whom was the first to point out my error.

Secondly, I heard on local Fox 8 from Cleveland about the NWS cancelling the Flood Warning for the Ohio

River last weekend. One man they interviewed said he had heard the NWS said the river was expected to

crest at 33 feet, but the heavy rains lasted longer than expected. Was the NWS in error for not extending the

warning? No comment.

Don Keating,



From: "E. Stapleton" <>

Date: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:55 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Message From a 2Way Device


Hey Don & group,


Sorry I used capital letters in my reponse about the naming error. No

offense taken, everyone makes mistakes.


I'm not sure what to think about the flood warning. The river ended up

cresting at 44(?) feet instead of 33 feet... A very significant

difference... The question in my mind is, did they have enough

monitors upstream to really determine just how bad it was going to get?


I don't always put a lot of faith in forecasters. An event that stands

out in my mind happened a couple of years ago when I woke up to a

raging thunderstorm, turned on Channel 3 (I know, I know...) and saw

David Rogers assuring people that the storm wasn't as bad as it

sounded. The next morning, the NWS was down in Valley View looking at

wind damage that they determined was caused by a weak tornado.


Forecasting - still as much an art as a science. :)



Elizabeth Stapleton


Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:50 pm

Subject: What About Jeanne?



Any thoughts / comments on the projected track of Jeanne? Take a look at for the latest forecast.

Jack, any thoughts??


Don Keating


Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:45 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] What About Jeanne?


Just look at your attachment & I believe that Jeanne may take a NNE track & go along the coast line's of

Fld. before making landfall...

The reason I say this, is because of the cold front coming in from the NNW heading toward's it..An the

water's may be a little warmer further out.. That's my thoughts.




Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:38 pm

Subject: Re: Message From a 2Way Device


Alright, let me see if I've undersdood this right. Ivan made

landfall in the fla. Panhandle. It's remnants traveled all the way

up here to give us a bunch of rain. Then the thing turned around and

went back to the Gulf!? How did that happen?




Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:40 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Message From a 2Way Device


Vance and Group:

Close. Technically, it entered southern Alabama then made a loop almost clockwise. See the attachment. Also, if

you go to it gives you the entire history of Ivan including the

explanation given on why it wasn't given another name. Interesting article.




Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:46 pm

Subject: Re: What About Jeanne?




All bets are off since you skunked me on the last one (ha,ha). I

don't think Jeanne will affect us UNLESS it continues a more

westerly course than forecast. If it continues into the Gulf we

might be in trouble. I think the big factor will be where that high

pressure will be when Jeanne begins its northerly track.


Other opinions?




Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:13 pm

Subject: Message From a 2Way Device


Group, Go to for the latest on

jeane. Also, about a week ago I received a

telephone call asking about wolleyworms and the winter. Have any of you heard


seen anything? Dick Groeber.


Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:04 am

Subject: Cleveland NWS Website Question




Does anyone know why there is no longer a table with the

maximum/minimum temperatures and precipitation listed on the

Cleveland NWS website? It's been that way for quite some time. It

says "This product has been changed to: Regional Max/Min Temperature

and Precipitation" but I don't see it under any such category unless

it's on another website. The other surrounding states listed

(Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, West Virginia) still carries them.


Other than the Discussion menu that was always one I referred to




Wooster 7N


Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:17 am

Subject: Another Marietta Flooding Article




Here is another link to the Marietta Times website regarding the

problem with river flooding:



Wooster 7N


Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:41 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Cleveland NWS Website Question / Answer: STPOH is now RTPOH




There were some product changes recently,

and CLE hasn't updated the link on that yet.


Just replace 'S'tate with an 'R'egional:






The old one is...




And the new one is...







- Patrick



Date: Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:51 pm

Subject: New poll for OhioWx



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Date: Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:22 am

Subject: Very dry September here in Middletown


From yesterday's Dayton Daily News:


Middfest (, Middletown's big fall festival takes place this weekend. Lots of outdoor

entertainment, lots of exhibits under tents. And the first rain that we've had in a good while (in the form of

thunderstorms) is predicted for Saturday. Guess I'll be carrying my weather radio along with my camera.



Middletown OH

56.6 degrees, dewpoint 45.3, partly cloudy



September driest ever in Valley, records show


Month produced just .10 inch of rain so far

By Benjamin Kline


Dayton Daily News


If you "try to remember the kind of September when grass was green and grain was yellow," as the Tom Jones lyric

tells it, you'd have to go beyond historical records.


The driest September ever in the Miami Valley, according to records kept since 1900, is winding down with no

prospect of additional rain in the days of the month remaining.


The National Weather Service, moreover, said September 2004, with just .10 inch of rain, will have been the third

driest of all months on record. It ties with October 1944 and parches behind March 1910 (.05 inch) and August 1966

(.03 inch).


But the year-to-date precipitation of 34.05 inches is still ahead of normal, which is 30.16, forecaster Myron Padgett



The Florida hurricanes, their fury spent but their moisture still mischievous, caused record flooding on the Ohio

River and in southeast Ohio, "but Dayton was on the very western edge of that," Padgett said.


The dry weather has had little effect on most local crops, though the lack of moisture may hurt yields of double-crop

soybeans - soybeans typically planted in June after another crop has been harvested, said Harold Watters, OSU

Extension agent for agriculture in Miami County. Farmers and grain elevator personnel are reporting seed moisture

dropped to 9 to 10 percent for soybeans; ideal at harvest time is 13 percent.


It's important to water trees and shrubs twice a week to strengthen them for the winter ahead, said Knollwood Florist

and Garden Center employee Bob Hahn. Chrysanthemums, whether planted or potted, may need water daily, he

said. The impatiens are near their season's end and can be allowed to die from thirst. Plant feeding is not encouraged

while the dry weather persists.


Contact Benjamin Kline at (937) 225-2222. Staff writer Ben Sutherly contributed to this story.


Date: Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:02 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Very dry September here in Middletown



Interesting !!!!! If it were not for the remnants of two major hurricanes dumping rain on us, our rainfall total for the

month would be in the same vicinity as yours! Instead, I have recorded 7.66" of rainfall for September.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:08 pm

Subject: Re: Very dry September here in Middletown




As Don said if it weren't for the remnants of the hurricanes us

folks in the eastern half of the state would be pretty dry. Three

out of the four days with precipitation were over an inch each and

all associated with the hurricanes. Nineteen out of the last 20 days

I've not had any measurable precipitation.



Wooster 7N


Date: Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:42 pm

Subject: Message From a 2Way Device


Group, Here in Springfield, we missed the rain

from the storm remnants. Total rain for September was .69 inch. This tied


for the second driest September here. The driest was 1988 with .33 inch.

Dick Groeber


Date: Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:59 am

Subject: RE: [OhioWx] Re: New poll for OhioWx


Hello all


I'm usually pretty quiet on this list but I'll give you my opion.

its getting there


Yes I understand that a hurricane is a major event, but to put five or six

different weather channel reporters at different areas is crazy. Most of

the time whenever I get to see the news it's usually very windy and

raining. After the record breaking 4 strikes on Florida (which possibly

might be an island if they get anymore) they should send only one or two

reporters down there. Now with all the floods going along the East Coast,

that will be the major weather news story, for now, until St. Helens erupts.


One topic for future discussion should be that with all the damage Florida

has received, how much is our insurance is going to go up.

Another topic can be is when will we get our first snowfall.


Thank you for your time.

Until next time.



Toledo, Oh


Date: Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:13 pm

Subject: RE: [OhioWx] Re: New poll for OhioWx



Could not agree with you more!!


Don Keating,



Date: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:26 pm

Subject: wind chill


Wind Chill.........

Wind Chill is with us all the time. Anytime when the air temperature is below

the set reading. Sure it may be in the mid 70F or sometime's it's in the mid

20F's. People like to hear what is the WIND CHILL is. When the air feel's

cooler then what the set reading's are...

The reason we don't hear it very much in the summer & earliey fall is because

the air temperatue isn't down in the lower 30F or we don't have HI winds

blowing though the area. But when the air temperature gets down in the lower

30 & upper 20 & the winds are blowing 25-30 M.P.H., people wants to hear

more about it....

Just got done reading WXAMERICA forecast. Sound like frost is on it's

way............Get those plains in Cananda cover with snow good, look out Ohio,

Ind., Mich., Pa...This just might get us our first frost....Any thoughts on












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