Cincinnati 5NW -  October was mild and dry, averaging slightly above normal in temperature and well below normal in rainfall. Weather was generally pleasant for the miriad fall activities. Fall color was generally below average with September rains and minor leaf diseases from the wet summer leading to early leaf drop. I often hear it said that we will have good fall color after a wet summer and poor color after a dry year. My observations have been the opposite.

Cleves 3NW (James Davis)Oct. turned out 1.2 degrees below normal with below normal rainfall.  Had 3 days of frost 2,3,24

Kent 2W (Eric Wertz) -  October 2003 saw normal temperatures and normal precipitation.  Measurable precipitation occurred on 15 days and the first snow showers of the season arrived on the 2nd with a trace falling.  A vigorous low pressure system crossed the region on the 14th prompting a wind advisory.  On the 14th, the monthly high wind gust of 33 m.p.h. was recorded along with the heaviest 24-hour precipitation of 0.71 inches.  Total monthly rainfall was 2.57.  A freeze warning was issued on the 2nd.  The Lake Erie water temperature cooled from 63 on the 1st to 54 on the 31st.  There was one thunderstorm day, three fog days, and ice pellets fell on the 2nd.

Kidron 1N (Ronald Hahn) -  October was drier and somewhat cooler than normal at Kidron 1N.  Rainfall totaled 1.84 inches - 0.77 inches below normal.  Temperatures were a degree cooler than normal, though a new maximum low temperature record was set on the 31st with a low of only 59.

Ottawa 4E (Phil and Bonnie Higley) A Very mild & wet month. Begin of the month was windy & toward the end of the month it also was windy.  Supposed  to be our driest month???

Perrysville 4W (Katie Gerwig)  -  After an unseasonably cool first few days, October saw normal temperatures and precipitation.  Fairly heavy frost formed the night of Oct. 2-3, with a low temperature of 29.  This was nearly a killing frost.  Most tender plants in open areas ceased growth.  Leaf color drab due to rainy early fall?

Ravenna 1E (Rich Rabatin)  Ravenna 1E saw its first snowfall (only a trace) of the season. The temps were then at or above normal with only a couple of below normal temp. days towards the end of the month.

Ravenna 1SE (Gary Locke)  Trace of snow was observed on October 2 and October 23. Ravenna 1SE observed eight consecutive days of rainfall from October 21 to October 28.

Springfield (Dick Groeber) -  This month saw temperatures vary between cold and warm on three different periods.  The month began cold with near freezing temperatures on the 3rd and 4th.  A week long period followed with highs in the 60s and the 70s.  That was followed by the coldest readings of the month with the first subfreezing temperature of 30 on the 24th.  The month then ended on a warm note with highs returning to the 70s.  Rainfall was scattered and mostly light.  The bulk of the precipitation fell during the middle of the month.  The heaviest total was on the 14th with 1.14 inches with winds to 33 m.p.h.  The low barometric pressure of 29.36 inches with the storm on the 14th was the second lowest reading for the month here since 1968.  The lowest was 29.34 inches on October 31st, 1983.

Thompson 5SW (Vance Lunn) Temperatures were consistently seasonable for October, except for an unusually warm day on the last day of the month (high 71F, low 56F, mean 63.3F). Two measurable snowfalls occured: 0.5 inch on the 2nd, and 0.7 inch on the 22nd-23rd. The latter event was a brief but heavy snowfall that left roads slick and snow covered. This also gave us our greatest snow depth of the month at one inch. Several trace amounts also fell during the month. Sleet occurred on 3 days, fog on 2 days and thunder on 1 day.

Wooster 7N (Jack Sisler) October was pretty much a normal month with no major weather events. Mean temperatures were almost two degrees below normal. I did break two low-temperature records; on the 1st and 3rd and tied a high temperature record on the 31st. Precipitation was almost a half inch below normal for the month which is about a fourth of the normal rainfall for October. Precipitation for the year is still more than two inches above normal, however.





OWON # Station Mean Max Temp Mean Min Temp Mean Temp High Temp Date Low Temp Date Total Prec Max 24hr Prec Date


Prec Days

Total Snow Max 24hr Snow Date #  1"+ Snow Days Max Wind Gust Date
119 Akron 1W 59.0 41.7 50.4 76.0 8, 9 34.0 2,3,24 1.88 0.70 14th 6 T T 2,22,23 0 27 31st
A Akron-Canton 59.0 40.6 49.8 76.0 8th 30.0 3rd 2.56 0.86 14th 6 T T 23rd 0 45 14th
107 Brookville 63.2 42.3 52.7 79.4 11th 31.2 24th 2.63 1.62 14th 7 0 0 -- 0 25 14th
82 Centerville 1W 64.5 41.2 52.8 80.0 11th 28.0 2nd 2.33 1.21 14th 7 0 0 -- 0 36 14th
A Cincinnati 65.2 43.7 54.5 78.0 11th 31.0 3rd 2.11 1.15 14th 4 0 0 -- 0 40 14th
13 Cincinnati 5NW 65.7 45.2 55.4 78.0 11,20 33.0 2nd 1.86 0.80 14th 10 0 0 -- 0 -- --
A Cleveland 60.2 42.5 51.4 79.0 8th 33.0 3rd 2.87 0.77 25th 8 0.30 0.30 2nd 0 41 14th
55 Cleves 3NW 67.5 42.5 55.0 81.0 11th 31.0 24th 1.86 0.88 14th 9 0 0 -- 0 28 3rd
A Columbus 63.1 42.5 52.8 77.0 11th 29.0 24th 1.78 0.84 14th 5 0 0 -- 0 43 14th
A Dayton 62.7 42.0 52.4 78.0 11th 32.0 2, 24 3.03 1.46 14th 5 0 0 -- 0 51 14th
22 Kent 2E 59.5 38.7 49.1 77.0 8th 27.0 3rd 2.51 0.49 14th 1 T T 2,22,23 0 19 14th
430 Kent 2W 58.8 38.1 48.4 76.0 8th 29.0 3rd 2.57 0.71 14th 7 T T 2, 22 0 33 14th
2 Kidron 1N 62.9 40.9 51.9 80.0 8th 31.0 24th 1.84 0.46 26th 1 0 0 -- 0 29 21st
87 Lagrange 2SW 61.9 39.3 50.6 81.0 8th 31.0 3rd 3.27 1.26 14th 11 T T -- 0 30 15th
23 Lodi 2S 59.9 38.2 49.0 78.0 8th 29.0 3rd 1.77 0.51 14th 14 T T 4th 0 39 14th
A Mansfield 59.5 39.4 49.5 76.0 8th 28.0 24th 2.35 0.95 14th 7 0 0 -- 0 41 3rd
51 Middleburg Heights  2N -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 2.89 0.62 14th 17 T T 2,23 0 -- --
106 Newcomerstown 1S 63.0 38.8 50.9 78.0 8th 27.0 3, 24 2.75 1.28 14th 11 0 0 -- 0 31 14th
32 North Ridgeville 1N 62.4 40.3 51.3 84.0 8th 31.0 6th 2.32 0.69 26th 13 T T 2, 22,23,29 0 32 14,27
15 Ottawa 4E 62.2 40.3 51.3 80.0 8th 30.0 2nd 1.80 0.82 14th 8 0 0 -- 0 37 3rd
38 Perry 58.6 42.5 50.6 77.0 8th 34.0 6th 3.23 0.70 14th 7 T T 2, 26, 27 0 -- --
79 Perrysville 4W 61.6 39.8 50.7 75.0 8th 29.0 3rd 2.07 0.71 14th 1 0 0 -- 0 -- --
101 Ravenna 1E 67.8 35.2 51.5 78.0 8th 35.0 2nd 2.48 0.79 14th 15 T T -- 0 30 15th
120 Ravenna 1SE 59.8 38.4 49.1 77.0 8th 31.0 2nd 2.69 1.18 14th 14 0 0 -- 0 -- --
33 Rockbridge 4W 64.2 43.2 53.7 78.0 8, 11 31.0 24th 2.27 0.90 14th 8 0 0 -- 0 -- --
51 Sabina -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 1.79 0.92 14th 4 -- -- -- -- -- --
43 Sharonville 2NE 68.2 44.6 55.8 83.0 8th 31.0 2nd 1.46 0.77 7 0 0 -- 0 0 31 14th
1 Springfield 63.0 42.0 53.0 80.0 11th 30.0 24th 2.24 1.14 14th 0 0 0 -- 0 32 2nd
112 Sugarcreek 2SW 61.4 39.7 50.6 76.0 8th 28.0 3, 24 2.47 0.75 14th 7 0 0 -- 0 28 21st
98 Thompson 5SW 56.8 39.4 48.1 73.0 8, 9 32.0 3, 6 3.51 0.80 14th 20 1.20 0.70 22nd 0 18 14th
117 Tiltonsville 64.3 42.7 52.3 79.0 8th 34.0 24th 3.19 1.36 14th 13 0 0 -- 0 31 14th
A Toledo 62.8 40.8 51.8 81.0 20th 32.0 5th 2.75 1.41 14th 5 0 0 -- 0 36 14th
16 Wooster 7N 60.7 38.8 49.8 77.0 8th 27.0 3rd 1.64 0.48 15th 13 0 0 -- 0 38 15th
A Youngstown 59.1 38.7 48.9 76.0 8th 29.0 6th 3.03 0.57 14th 7 0.10 0.10 2nd 0 39 15th
48 Zanesville 6N 61.5 42.6 51.3 75.0 31st 29.0 24th 2.69 1.04 14th 13 0 0 -- 0 29 14th
OWON # Station Mean Max Temp Mean Min Temp Mean Temp High Temp Date Low Temp Date Total Prec Max 24hr Prec Date


Prec Days

Total Snow Max 24hr Snow Date #  1"+ Snow Days Max Wind Gust Date

A = Airport         



Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 8:33 am

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List, From Springfield,Ohio

Sept., 2003 data: High temp.: 83 deg. F. on the 9th,

low: 42 deg. on: 29 and 30, ave. high: 74 deg., ave low: 54 deg., ave.: 64


Total rainfall: 6.12 in., greatest one day: 2.05

in. on 22nd, 7 days with rain, 4 days with thunderstorms.

Dick Groeber.


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 9:59 am

Subject: montly report


Ave. Max temperature 73.0F

Ave. Minn temperature 53.6F

Ave. Temperature 63.3F

Highest daytime Hi was 82F on the 13th.

Lowest nightime low was 40F on the 30th

Precip.: 4.32"/24 hour 1.67" on the 1st

(90%) of these reading where taken from Col. Grove, Oh.. All but the

precip. My Davis Weather Mouitor II was down for repair. Didn't get it

back till 21 of Sept. Then my wind speed unit wasn't put up to 3 day's

later. So we Don't really have a Hi wind gust for Sept. 03.


Ottawa, Oh.


Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 10:18 am

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List From Springfield, Ohio.

Low temp. (10-01-03) @ 39 deg. F. @ 7:30 a.m.. Station record low @ 36

deg. in 1976. Dick Groeber.


From: "Amber Dalakas" <>

Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 12:04 pm

Subject: Long range forecast


Is there somewhere that I can get a longer range forecast (say two weeks)?

I'm sure there is something at noaa but I can't seem to find it.





Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 4:14 pm

Subject: Message from a 2way device


Amber and list, From Springfield, Ohio.

Try the 8-14 day outlook issued mondays, wednesday, and fridys by the

N.W.S. either over the net or the NOA A weather radio.

Dick Groeber.


Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 5:37 pm

Subject: Hurricane Isabel Cloud Photos



Just wanted to let you know that I have uploaded four photos on to my Weather

site. They are near the top of the

page. They were taken on the evening of September 18, 2003 as the upper and mid

level couds were moving into the

area from the southeast, from Hurricane Isabel. Hope you enjoy them.


Don Keating,

Newcomerstown, Ohio


Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 5:43 pm

Subject: Web Site Corrected Address


My apologies for the second e-mail, but I sent you the wrong web address for my

weather site. It is Again, my sincere apologies.

Don Keating


Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 7:20 pm

Subject: Re: Long range forecast


Amber and Group:


The best source I've used is from the source itself; Climate

Prediction Center (

They have both text and graphics for extended outlooks of 0-48 Hours,

3-7 Days, 6-10 Days, 8-14 Days, Monthly, and Seasonal. As Dick says

you have to check them often because they are updated on a regular

basis. I might just go ahead and put this in the Links section so

everyone can refer to it when they want.




Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 7:24 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] montly report


September 2003 Summary for Ravenna 1SE:

Mean High Temp: 71.27

Mean Low Temp: 50.73

Mean Temp: 61.00

Highest Temp: 82 (9-14-03)

Lowest Temp: 38 (9-30-03)

Total Rainfall: 6.27"

Highest 24hr Rainfall: 1.30" (9-26-03)

Precip Days: 12

Thunderstorm Days: 3

No Snowfall

Fairly wet and cool month. Only two days of 80+ readings and temperature has not

reached 70 since 9-

22-03. No severe weather observed despite several severe thunderstorm warnings

being issued.


Gary Locke

Ravenna 1SE

OWON# 120

Date: Wed Oct 1, 2003 7:33 pm

Subject: Record Low This Morning




I had a record low this morning (Wednesday) of 33 degrees @ 5 a.m.

breaking the old record for the date of 36 degrees set in 1992. Had

some light spotty frost but nothing compared to what it may be like

tomorrow morning.


Anyone else have some cold temps or frost this morning?




P.S. I've seen some good posts put up the last few days. Keep it up.



Date: Thu Oct 2, 2003 8:03 am

Subject: Snowfall


8:00 a.m.

Temp: 35F

Snowfall: Trace

Conditions: Light snow


Amber Dalakas

Brunswick 2NE

Medina County


Date: Thu Oct 2, 2003 8:19 am

Subject: first snow!!


Thompson 5 SW 8:00am 10/02/03

We had about 0.5" snow and sleet this morning as of 8am.

This is the earliest first accumulating snow that I have personally witnessed

within Ohio. The earliest

flakes of snow in Ohio that I have ever witnessed occurred just three days ago

(Sept. 29) here. (I've been

to the mountains in places where there is snow in all months, but this is the

earliest I've seen it in Ohio).

One of the constituents of the snow cover are these little spherical shaped

grains about 1/4" diameter.

They have the consistency of snowballs-not the hardness of sleet or hail. Is

this Guapel? I've never seen

this type of winter precipitation before to my memory.

Vance Lunn

Thompson 5 SW

OWON #98


Date: Thu Oct 2, 2003 8:57 am






Date: Thu Oct 2, 2003 2:16 pm

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List, From Springfield, Ohio.

The low temperature here this morning (10-02-03) @ 6:12 a.m. was 33 deg.

F. tying my station record low of 33 deg. set on this date in both 1974 and

1984. No precipitation here. The earlirst date of first

snow flakes here is Oct. 8, 2000. Dick Groeber.


Date: Thu Oct 2, 2003 2:26 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Message from a 2way device



My morning low was 33 degrees as well. That missed the record low by 1 degree.

The earliest date here for flakes of

snow is October 8'th.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstwon 1S


Date: Thu Oct 2, 2003 4:32 pm

Subject: Re: Message from a 2way device



Had a low of 31 here(Lancaster). I was wondering if anyone else

noticed the "front" that came through last night. It was in the 49

here yesterday at 11:15 PM. Then the wind picked up gusted to 20 mph

and stayed constant at around 10 mph for 60 min and shifted to the

northwest. Temperature dropped about 3 degrees in 15 min.


Chris Morris

Lancaster 3NE


Date: Thu Oct 2, 2003 5:54 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Message from a 2way device


Hi Chris;

Here in Newcomerstown I observed the following, which was also recorded with my

weather software on the


Time Temp Wind D Wind S Baro

1030p 49 SSW 7 30.16

1100p 48 SW 6 30.16

1130p 48 NW 14 30.18

1200m 46 NW 16 30.20

1230a 44 NW 14 30.21

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


From: eobic <>

Date: Thu Oct 2, 2003 8:52 pm

Subject: Forecasters Claim to Perfect Weather Data


Forecasters Claim to Perfect Weather Data

By ADAM GORLICK, Associated Press Writer

AMHERST, Mass. - Severe weather claims hundreds of lives and costs billions of

dollars in damage every

year. Now, forecasters believe the menace may have met its match.



Scientists led by engineers at the University of Massachusetts say they will

soon be predicting tornadoes,

hurricanes and severe thunderstorms faster than ever before - and lowering

casualty rates by taking the

wind out of the surprise factor.

In a UMass student center packed with professors, administrators and business

leaders, officials on

Wednesday announced the creation of the $40 million Center for Collaborative

Adaptive Sensing of the


Within five years, the center will be monitoring low-powered radars attached to

cell phone towers

throughout the country. The radars will let forecasters watch weather patterns

occurring within a mile from

the ground, known as the troposphere, where some storms such as tornados first


Those kinds of storms escape detection by larger Doppler radars that can only

track weather systems

brewing in the upper atmosphere.

"The key is looking down low, where the weather actually impacts us as people,"

said David McLaughlin,

the UMass professor who will direct the project that also includes researchers

from the University of

Oklahoma, Colorado State University and the University of Puerto Rico.

By stringing together a series of small radars throughout a community,

forecasters say they will be able to

predict the length of a thunderstorm, the path of a tornado and the speed of a

hurricane faster and more

accurately than they can now.

"We'll be able to track a tornado going down a street," McLaughlin said.

At an estimated cost of $30,000 per radar, researchers say the technology will

be affordable and

available to municipalities, television stations, emergency centers and

businesses that want to better

prepare for potentially disastrous weather.

"We're doing for weather forecasting what cellular telecommunication and the

Internet did for how people

communicate with each other," McLaughlin said.

The radars will first be set up in Oklahoma by early 2005, where researchers

will test the technology

tracking tornadoes. The next test site will be Houston, where forecasters will

focus on the problem of

urban flooding.

"The concept is to first put the radars in areas that are most vulnerable to

severe weather," said Kelvin

Droegemeier, a meteorology professor at the University of Oklahoma.

If there is an area not covered by the new radars, they would still benefit from

the information of an

impending storm because it would be fed to standard weather advisory outlets,

such as the National

Weather Service, Droegemeier said.

The project is being paid for with a $17 million grant from the National Science

Foundation, $5 million

from the state and money from other universities. It is also being financially

supported by companies like

Raytheon, which will develop the radars, and IBM, which will create software.

Mark Russell, the vice president of engineering for Raytheon, said the first

handful of radars will be built

with off-the-shelf components. New technology will likely spring from the

project, he said, with spinoff

radars that could be used to help detect terrorist threats. The radars could

detect low-flying planes and

pick up chemical and biological particles swirling in the air, he said.

"The technology is very promising," said Ron McPherson, executive director of

the American

Meteorological Society. "This is certainly doable, and it will be a positive

asset to the lives and property of

this country."


Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 12:32 am

Subject: Record Lows Established


Hello List;

We might have missed the record low by one degree early on Thursday morning, but

at midnight (30 minutes ago)

we were sitting at 31.4 degrees, which is the official low for October 2'nd, and

that makes it a new record low for the

date. The previous record low was 32 set in 1984.

The record low for October 3'rd was 38 set in 1996, but we are currently at 31.0

degrees, and that makes the record

low broken for the 3'rd. All I have to do is wait and see what the low ends up

at for the 3'rd of October. The reading

of 31 for the 2'nd is now the coldest for that early in the season.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 9:24 am

Subject: Record Low for October 3'rd



At 7:26 a.m. this morning, a reading of 27 degrees was hit to establish a new

record low temperature for the date.

The previous record low was 38 established in 1996. This is the coldest low so

early in the season.

Currently at 9:25 a.m. we are at 39 degrees.


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 10:49 am

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List, From Springfield, Ohio.

The lowest temperature here was 34 deg. F. recorded at 7:44 a.m.

(10-03-03). The record low for my station is 32 deg. set in both 1974 and


The last 30 deg. was 38 deg. in 1996. No frost noted here because of low

humidity. Dick Groeber.


Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 2:29 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Record Low for October 3'rd


Don and Group:

At 6:55 a.m. this morning I also had a record low of 27 degrees breaking the

previous low for the date of 33 degrees

set in 1993. There was widespread heavy frost putting a definite end to the

growing season.



Wooster 7N


Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 4:04 pm

Subject: record low


On thursday 10/2/03 the temperature fell to 32 degrees @ 4:29 am....

this broke the previous record of 37 set in



mike bielski

toledo 5 ne

ne lucas co.

point place



Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003 10:27 am

Subject: September's Weather Statistics for Centerville 1W


Weather statistics for the month of September for Centerville 1W.

High Temp (Date) ... 85o / 10th

Low Temp (Date) ... 37o / 30th

Mean High ... 75.8o

Mean Low ... 51.7o

Monthly Mean ... 63.8o

Total Precipitation ... 6.30"

Max 24 hr Precipitation (Date) ... 1.77" / 2nd

Number of Precipitation Days... 11

Total Snowfall... 0.0"

Max 24 hr Snowfall (Date) ... 0.0"

Max Snow Depth at time of observation ... 0"

High Wind Gust (Date) ... 24 MPH / 27th

Thunderstorm Days ... 4

Highest Barometer (Date) ... 30.35" / 30th

Lowest Barometer (Date) ... 29.67" / 27th

Average High Wind Gust... 14.8 MPH

Year To Date Precipitation . 37.68"

9.52" Above Normal


Robert Flory - KA5RUC

Centerville 1W

Southeast Montgomery County

Ohio Weather Observer Network #82

Wilmington NWS Skywarn ID OMT405


Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003 7:13 pm

Subject: Last Week/Next Week




Mean temperatures here last week were around twelve degrees below

normal including two low temperature records being broken.


Looking at the GFS long range model it looks like the upper-air winds

will be zonal with a ridge to the west and a ridge to the east. Any

major change in our area doesn't look like it will take place until

late next weekend or the first of next week with maybe some heavy

rains along with colder temperatures due to another upper low moving

in over Canada following a cold front.




From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003 7:40 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Last Week/Next Week



What does the 25 of Oct. look like????????? Have a cruise in to go to. Here

in Ottawa, Oh. 2-5 p.m.

Please advise........


Ottawa, Oh.



Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 3:01 pm

Subject: Record Low --- Again



This mornings low temperature of 33 degrees broke the previous record low of 35

established in 1999. Looks like

the remainder of the week after today should be normal to a little above normal

temperature wise and sunny to partly

cloudy skies. Compared to September's 6.44" of rainfall, the total of .06" for

October thus far seems like a drought!


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 6:58 pm

Subject: Re: Last Week/Next Week




That's pretty far down the road for anybody to really make any kind

of decent forecast but the 8-14 day outlook put out today has below

normal temperatures for almost the eastern third of the U.S. with

above normal precipitation for the northeast quarter.


Go to the Links section and click on the site where it says Climate

Prediction Center Extended outlooks every now and then see how the

predictions are holding up.


Enjoy the nice Fall weather this week.




Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 9:08 pm

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List, From Springfield, Ohio.

I know of that 8-14 day outlook. I'm waiting on the next ones on

wednesday and friday before making any judgements about the autumn and winter

expextations. Dick Groeber.


Date: Wed Oct 8, 2003 9:48 pm

Subject: Not Since...


Hello List;

A simply spectacular day today with a high temperature of 78 degrees!! I went

back into the records and discovered

it hasn't been this warm since Septmeber 17'th, when we had a high of 79

degrees!! Incredible stretch there.

I know the long range is calling for temperatures to drop off quite a bit by

Wednesday next week. I'm looking at the

10 day outlook, and I'd say it won't drop below daily highs of 60 here in

Newcomerstwon til at least next Thursday.

I'm not as pesimistic with the long rang as some "forecasters" are. Then again,

it IS getting to a very changeable time

of the year. Your thoughts?

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Fri Oct 10, 2003 7:28 pm

Subject: Re: Not Since...


Don and Group:


Today being Friday, it's been a nice three days or so. Temperatures

have recovered nicely from early in the week but mean temperatures

here are still about five degrees below normal for the month.


Could use a little rainfall being about .5 inch below normal. Anyone

seeing some seasonal changes with Mother Nature taking place?



Wooster 7N



Date: Fri Oct 10, 2003 9:10 pm

Subject: Message from a 2way device


Jack and list, From Springfield, Ohio.

There is a cold front in the upper midwest that should move through here

about Sunday with rainfall followed by a return to colder temperatures that

should last through next weekend. The latest 8-14 day outlook from the N.W.S.


for below normal temps and near normal precip. for next weekend into the

following week. Dick Groeber.


Date: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:11 pm

Subject: CORN September Report


View Bob Davis' latest Central Ohio Raingage Network report at:

<>. Be sure to

read his rain gage research at the end.


Larry Huff


Date: Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:46 am

Subject: Your Weather Web Site Address


In an effort to have all of you listed, please review my "Weather

Links" page as stated on:

<>. If

your weather web site address is NOT listed, please email that

information to me so you can be included. My email is:



Thanks so much!

Larry Huff


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:07 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Your Weather Web Site Address



My web page is back up & running now.

It's http.www./ For Sept. it should be alot better.

Alinement whys.


Putman, Co.


Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:41 am

Subject: Re: Your Weather Web Site Address


I just recently upgraded to the new Weatherlink 5.4 software which

has a whole bunch of new stuff, including calculating windchill by

the new formula. Some of the content tags are different so it is not

updating all the features on my website (some are updating).

However, I am working on a newly designed homepage to take advantage

of all the new features which I'll put uop at the same address, when

I'm finished with it.





Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:56 pm

Subject: Bombogenesis Taking Place




I don't know if any of you have noticed but those of you who have a

means of taking barometric pressure will notice the big pressure

falls taking place as we speak.


This is all due to a Low pressure center now over northwest Ohio

that's been developing the past several hours as it moves northeast.

On my barograph the pressure has gone from 29.80" (1009 mb) to 29.40"

(970 mb)at 3:30 pm; a substantial drop of almost .4" inches in the

last twelve hours.


Anyone notice the changes? Hence, some of the wind

advisories/warnings going up.



Wooster 7N


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:09 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Bombogenesis Taking Place


Talking about Baro.'s. My is at 28.91F 0.04" & the winds are light ourt of

the S @ 9. The outside air temperature is at 60F after being down to 43F

this morning at 1:57 a.m..


Putnam, Co.


Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:53 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Bombogenesis Taking Place



I just took a look at my barometer and mine has also

taken quite a dip. Went from a high of 29.96" this

morning(5AM) to the present low of 29.40".

Rainfall so far(450pm) has been .55"(Moderate rain

now)with the highest rainfall rate was .33" per hour.

The rain started about 150pm this afternoon.

With the tightly wrapped low to our west and heading

this way, winds will increase and a couple of models

has wind gusts up to 50 mph.

With that said, I better get out and put some loose

items in the garage.

Thank God we were on vacation last week and not this




Ravenna 1E


Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:47 am

Subject: Cincinnati area - WKRC's free Pop-Up Precision Doppler 12


For those on the list in southwestern Ohio:


Yesterday, WKRC (channel 12, Cincinnati) announced a free download -

Pop-Up Precision Doppler 12 desktop weather radar. Supposedly it is

accurate to one minute with a broadband connection. I downloaded it early

yesterday morning at work and we followed the storms all day - we were

televising a live candidates forum last night and we had visions of high

winds causing damage and powers outages (didn't happen, thanks goodness).

Pop-Up Precision Doppler 12 can also serve as a screensaver.


Here's the link:


BTW, my barometer bottomed out at 29.37" at 2:07 yesterday afternoon.



Middletown OH


Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:14 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Bombogenesis Taking Place




My barometric pressure hit a low of 29.38 last evening and I had a total of

.51 inches of rain. Not much wind in the Stow area.


Carol Hughes

Stow 1SE


Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:55 pm

Subject: Pressure and Rainfall


Hi List;

Pressure here in Newcomerstown bottomed out at 29.39" at about 6 p.m. Total

rainfall was 1.28". The vast majority

of that rainfall fell between 1:30 p.m. and midnight on the 14'th. Average

rainfall here in October is 2.70". Through

midnight on the 14'th, rainfall is now 0.30" above normal. Winds gusted to a

peak of 31 mph.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:05 pm

Subject: need information..........


Does any one know for sure if there was any storm in the

area on June 26 around 7-8 a.m.. Also

if it was a clear morning at that time. For my area. Nort 41

degree 01' 18" West 83 degree 59 degree 00".

Can anyone help me out??


Ottawa, Oh.

Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:15 pm

Subject: Re: need information..........



The NWS site at Findlay was reporting hazy at that time.

I checked on Wunderground at Ottawa, then under historical selected

that date. Just a thought



Lancaster 3NE



Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:56 pm

Subject: NWS offices



I was wondering if anyone else notices that different nws

offices (Wilmington, Cleveland, Charleston, Northern Indiana etc...

have very different website content, layout, "feeling". Some seem

very clean cut, what you expect a government webpage to be like.

Others seem a lot more "friendly". I thought it may have to do with

that particular office's feeling toward the public, spotter reports,

etc... I have never been to one to test this idea. Does anyone have

any thoughts on this subject?



Lancaster 3NE


Date: Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:31 pm

Subject: Storm in the area on June 26 around 7-8 a.m




The Toledo observation from 7-8 AM on the 26th was clear skies and


near 70 with a little fog (vsby 4 miles). That is a point report though and I

can't say that there weren't any storms in between but if there was

nothing at FDY then maybe it was quiet..


Jim Kosarik NWS CLE


Date: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:19 pm

Subject: Correcting lowest pressure


Hi List;

I made an observation on the 14'th as the low pressure was moving through the

area, the reading on the LCD on my

console was 29.35", but the computer generated report in the archives only

showed a minimum pressure reading of

29.39 inches. I have the computer to archive weather information every 30

minutes. I'm wondering if it missed

something by just archiving every 30 minutes. I would think it would have caught

the reading, as it catches every

other min and max reading, no matter when they take place.

I'm compelled to revise the minimum reading based on two observations. The first

of which is I personally looked at

the digital display and saw the reading of 29.35" while the screen display (on

my computer) only had 29.41".

Interesting. And, the automated observations at the New Philadelphia airport

bottomed out at, you guessed it,

29.35". The airport is a very short 15 air miles ( + or - ) to my NNE. It also

recorded that reading at virtually the

same time I observed mine.

Any ideas or suggestions on why my outfit didn't record this minimum reading?

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:54 am

Subject: record low


Toledo, Point Place, NE Lucas....

At 7:45 am this morning 10/17 the temperature dropped to 31 degrees

breaking the old record of 32 set in 1996..



Date: Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:03 am

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] NOAA Weather Forecast for All of Ohio for 10-17-2003


<NOAA Weather Forecast for All of Ohio for 10-17-2003>



Did I perhaps miss something here... As in some of the areas covered by

CLE, IWX, Charleston, WV and PIT are still part of Ohio I think! :-)





From: "Phillip Higley" <>

Date: Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:25 pm

Subject: Re: [OhioWx] record low


I too got down to 31F @ 7:30 a.m.!


Putnam, Co.


Date: Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:15 pm

Subject: Re: NWS offices


Chris and Group:


I seem to be having problems with my either my own internet service

provider and/or Yahoo. I'm not getting some of the OhioWx posts until

a day later and my reply post to you wasn't posted. Anyway......


Maybe Jim Kosarik @Cleveland NWS or someone can elaborate on this or

correct me if I'm wrong but I think each WSO either has an individual

(or webmaster if you will) at their particular office or contracts

that out to someone to do their website.


One reason I think we see different content on each of the sites is

because of the particular geographical area of the weather service

office. (ex: I don't think you'll see agricultural forecasts in areas

consisting of major urban areas.) Also, many WSO's ask for public

input on their content, setup, etc. I think Cleveland does a good job

of that. (ex: letting the viewer choosing between text versus

graphical forecasts).


Other thoughts or opinions?




Wooster 7N


Date: Fri Oct 17, 2003 8:04 pm

Subject: Re: NOAA Weather Forecast for All of Ohio for 10-17-2003


Chris and Group:


You are correct. Ohio comes under five weather forecast offices:


Cleveland (CLE)

Northern Indiana (IWX)

Wilimington OH (ILN)

Charleston WV (RLX)

Pittsburgh PA (PIT)






Date: Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:20 pm

Subject: Winterizing Your Weather Station




I thought now might be a good time to list some recommendations we should do to

help winterize our weather

stations before the winter weather gets here. Many of these things can be done

at anytime of the year but with the

inclement weather that can occur during the next five or six months now would be

the time to do them. There may

be some additional steps to take and some of the steps may not apply to everyone

but are good to know. If there are

some additional recommendations or "tricks of the trade" you would like to share

please post them.


Jack Sisler

OhioWx Group Moderator



A. Remove any dust, webs and other debris from the thermometers, sensors and the

radiation shield.

B. Clean the temperature/humidity sensor with distilled water. Don't use WD-40

or other types of petroleum

products that may cause harm to the instruments.

C. Check sensor leads for cracking, deterioration, proper routing, and strain


D. Check the condition of your cotton region instrument shelter, if applicable,

for any decaying wood or paint



A. Check the gauge to make sure there are no leaks; cracks in plastic or broken

welds in metal. This may sound

ridiculous but it can happen due, in part, to freezing or aging.

B. Check the gauge and/or bucket for debris on screens or in funnels. Clear out

any grass/weeds that may have

accumulated during mowing. Clean out any cobwebs that may restrict motion of any

moving parts.

C. Check sensor leads for cracking, deterioration, proper routing, and strain


D. Check for levelness especially with tipping bucket gauges.

E. Check for any tall grass or weeks, tree limbs, etc. that might be impeding

any precipitation from entering the

gauge freely OR allowing water from these sources to enter the gauge when it

shouldn't be.

F. Check the condition of your snowboards. Paint/replace if necessary.


A. Do a visual (and audio if possible) inspection to make sure they are moving

freely. If the anemometer is not

moving freely, especially at low speeds, and/or you notice any humming, it may

be an indication of problems with

the bearings.

B. Check sensor leads for cracking, deterioration, proper routing, and strain


C. Make occasional comparisons with the observed wind direction and speed sensor

readings with the instantaneous

data logger readings. Are they the same or close to it? If not, you might want

to check things further. EXAMPLE: If

there is a difference of 180 degrees in wind direction or 50 m.p.h. between the

instrument itself and what the reading

is on the other end then you have a problem somewhere.


A. Check for adjacent structures that may influence sensor measurements.

B. If you have your instruments on a tower or tripod check these for structural

damage, proper alignment, and


C. Those with solar power for their instruments should clean the glass on the

solar panel to remove dust and debris

and check the solar panel orientation to ensure proper tilt and direction.


Date: Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:28 pm

Subject: Re: NWS websites


Jack and group:


NWS web sites are maintained by a webmaster at each office, usually a NWS

meteorologist that does his/her best to hack away at it. We have a webmaster

and several others that work on the web page here (including me). Each NWS


page uses a master layout so in theory you can find some of the basic items

easily on any page. Unfortunately, each regional office has dictated policy

differently so the NWS web sites differ from region to region. Differences in

each office occur depending on the webmaster and how much time and energy is

put into it.


We are not allowed to link to commercial vendors and most .edu web sites. The

government cannot show any favoritism or endorsement of any other site so it

limits us from providing a wide range of options. In this office, very little

time is allocated to working on the web page, we have to find time between

storms and other duties. In my humble opinion, we have good information on


site but it could be a lot better from a creative stand point and have better

quantity as well. Any realistic suggestions are appreciated. Please use the

email on the web page.


Jim Kosarik NWS Cleveland


Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 6:20 pm

Subject: Re: NWS websites


Thanks Jack and Jim for the information.


I guess the public sector is just like the private sector. When there

is a new technology, instead of hiring more people they just give the

current employees more work.



Lancaster 3NE


Date: Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:40 am

Subject: snow and NWS website


I was surprised last night while driving home after picking up my

wife to run into winter driving conditions with moderate snow and

sleet and the road snow covered. Chardon had gotten a light coat of

snow on cars and such and it was this way through Hamden. The road

became snow covered about 2 mi. NE of Hambden. (within 3 mi. of

Thompson 5 SW). I've gotten 0.7" so far with 1" on the ground.

Judging from the paterns on radar last night and temps on ODOT

weather stations, my guess is this is a very local event with a

rounded-up one inch snowcover not extending more than a few miles in

any direction from this station.


INcidentally, Jim, I've found the NWS Cleveland website to be just

about the best local NWS office website of the ones I've looked at

(which hasn't been that many actually). Good job.




Date: Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:56 am

Subject: Message from a 2way device


List, From Springfield, Ohio.

Please note new e mail address: and web page coming on

line soon at: The webpage is partially there now.

Check it out! Dick Growber.


Date: Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:31 am

Subject: Does Anyone Know...


Hi List;

I don't know how many of you remember, or even know of a gentleman by the name of Frank Hollingsworth from New

Philadelphia. I certainly remember him. While growing up I recall reading all of these comments and observations in

the local New Philadelphia Times Reporter. Well, he recently passed away. He was 91 years of age. For the benefit of

the list, I'll place his obituary below from that same newspaper. Take care everyone.

Don Keating



Date: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:10 am

Subject: Wind Vane / Anemometor


Hello List;

I have a anemometor/wind vane available if anyone needs one. This will work with your Weather Monitor II, Wizard

III units. If interested, e-mail me privately at and I'll quote you a price. Thank you.

Don Keating


Date: Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:55 pm

Subject: Most Recent Event


Hello Everyone;

The most recent rain event dropped a total of 0.90". This takes the total for October to 2.64". The average October

rainfall is 2.70" so it is possible we'll go above normal, but, with the forecast past Tuesday, it might not happen. There

is a slight chance of rain on Tuesday, so one never knows. Just thought I'd toss this information out. Take care


Don Keating #106

Newcomerstwon 1S


Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 9:28 am

Subject: Wild temperature ride


Hello List;

On Thursday evening / night I observed an interesting temperature change. At 7:30 p.m. we were still nice and mild

with 65 degrees. By 10 p.m. we had dropped to a cool 51 degrees. But by midnight the temperature had recovered back

to 65 degrees. The wind direction never changed from a mainly southerly direction and the skies remained clear the

entire time. In fact around 7:30 or 8 p.m. I noticed a strong red Aurora to the NNE to the ENE. Very interesting view.

At any rate, I also noticed a steady pressure rise.

What I'm wondering is if anyone else out there noticed a temperature pattern similar to this, or was it just because I'm

in this valley and cool air from up above was able to take over for a brief period of time?

Hope to see many of you at the NEOCAMS meeting tomorrow.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 9:47 am

Subject: Winter Forecast?


Anyone read any forecasts pertaining to the upcoming winter season? I have

read a few, from various sources, and the underlying theme seems to be, no

idea. Doesn't seem to be any real dominating pattern that's setting up,

unlike last winter. NOAA has the standard "Equal Chance" over the state for

both temp and precip. Of the independent forecasters I have read, one takes

the cold and snow route, with February once again being the nastiest month,

and another compares the coming season to that of 1992-1993, which had cold

and warm extremes, but not a whole lot of snow either way... unless you

lived in the far eastern counties during the March Superstorm.




Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:41 pm

Subject: Kestrel 4000


Hello List;

Anyone in the market for a Kestrel 4000 unit? This one is brand new. I received a new unit because the previous unit I

had had a technical glitch and the display screen went blank. Great deal! E-mail me privately for information.

Don Keating


Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:43 pm

Subject: Record High


At 1:30 p.m. on Friday October 31'st, 2003, the temperature reached a high of 77 degrees at Newcomerstown 1S. This

broke the previous record high of 75 established in 1999.

Don Keating #106

Newcomerstown 1S


Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 5:16 pm

Subject: Re: Wild temperature ride



Had something similar here too. 64 at 6:30, 59 at 7:30, then

back up to 63 at 8:30, then back down to 57 at 9:00, then back up to

63 at 10:00, then back down to 56 at 12:00, then 62 at 12:30, and at

last 56 by 1:30. My wind was out of the south the entire time, only

when the wind did blow did the temps rise.


Yesterday's graph near bottom.



Lancaster 3NE


Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:33 pm

Subject: Tied High Temperature Record




As the saying goes "close but no cigars". Tied the record high of 73

degrees @ 2:51 p.m. set in 1999. Got a lot of things done outside

today even putting up with those stupid Asian ladybugs that are



Also saw the Northern Lights (Aurora) last night around 7 p.m.

streaching from the northwest to the east. Quite an impressive

display even if the sunspot cycle is on the downward side. They say

to be aware during the next couple of weeks for additional solar




Wooster 7N


Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:52 pm

Subject: Re: Winter Forecast?




I guess I've pretty much heard or read the same thing you have; long-

range predictions indicating equal chances for both normal

temperatures and precipitation for our area.


I did hear of one indication of a somewhat "mini" El Nino but nothing

near that of the major one in the late 90's. I think the upper Low

over Hudson Bay and the Ridge out west that kept us in the cold last

Winter and into this past Summer will break down sometime.


I wouldn't put my money on any long-range forecasts. The models have

had a very hard time the past several months on agreeing with

anything, even a week ahead of time let alone months.


Any other thoughts or personal forecasts for the upcoming Winter?

I'll call it "normal" for both temperatures and precipitaiton.











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