Cincinnati 5NW (Ronald Rothhaas Jr) - November was warm and wet with temperatures averaging over 4 degrees above normal and precipitation an inch above normal.  There were 20 precipitation days.  With the low for the month at only 28 F some tender plants survived the month and grass was emerald green at month's end.

Cleves 3NW (James Davis) - November was 3.9 degrees above normal with above normal precip.

Kent 2W (Eric Wertz) -  November was slightly wetter than normal and warmer than normal.  Total liquid equivalent precipitation for the month was 3.3".  measurable precip fell on 16 days.  The latter half of the month was the wettest with daily rain occurring from the 17th - 20th and measurable precip every day from the 23rd - 30th.  Snowfall was below normal for the month with total snowfall of only 1.1" all on the 25th.  Fog was noted on the 17,18, and 19th.  There were no thunderstorms, glaze, or ice pellets during the month.  Strong high pressure of 30.8" was measured on the 14th with a deep low of 29.27" on the 24th.

Kidron 1N (Ronald Hahn) -  November of 2004 was above average in temperature by 3 but below normal in precip by nearly 0.4".  The first 15 days of the month saw considerable sunshine with 7 clear or partly cloudy days.  The last 15 days were mostly cloudy or overcast.  11 of the month's 15 precip days came in the last 15 days of the month.

Newcomerstown 1S (Don Keating)-  Average high, low and mean temperatures were all above normal as was the precipitation. Snowfall was below normal. Pressure was all over the dial. Highest pressure was 30.78" on the 14'th and 10 days later on the 24'th it bottomed out at 29.27". Total precipitation for 2004 has gone over 54 inches at the end of the day on November 30th.

Ottawa 4E (Phil & Bonnie Higley) A warmer & wetter month & windly..
Had some cold snap, but they didn't last very long.  Windy at the begin & windy toward the end of the month..We were warmer by 3.1F & we had .73" more precip. NOT to much SNOW!From the  normals..

Perrysville 4W (Katie Gerwig) -  The first snow of 0.5" was Thanksgiving morning.  Temps were normal to slightly above normal and the precip was normal.  The first half of the month was mainly clear and warm while the second half was overcast and damp with several heavy all day fogs. 

Ravenna 1SE (Gary Locke)  No major storms or significant weather events occured during month.  The first snowfall of the season occured on 11/25/04 with just a trace being observed.

Springfield (Dick Groeber) The barometric pressure high of 30.81 in.hg. on the 14th set a station high for records dateing to 1968. The low of 29.22 in. hg. was the 3rd lowest for the period. The lowest was 29.l5 in.hg on the 5th in 1988.  Both the temperature and precipitation were above the station averages.

Wooster 7N (Jack Sisler) November was pretty much a normal month without any fanfare. Mean temperatures were almost three degrees above normal with no record-breaking highs or lows. Precipitation was a little above normal by less than a half inch for November. Most of the precipitation fell during the last half of the month with the first measurable snow of the season on the 25th. For the year I'm four inches above normal going into December.


OWON # Station Mean Max Temp Mean Min Temp Mean Temp High Temp Date Low Temp Date Total Prec Max 24hr Prec Date


Prec Days

Total Snow Max 24hr Snow Date #  1"+ Snow Days Max Wind Gust Date
119 Akron 1W 51.6 37.3 44.3 67 2nd 25 26th 2.49 0.56 30th 14 0.3 0.3 25th 0 32 4,7
A Akron-Canton 51.0 35.8 43.4 67 2nd 22 26th 3.14 0.63 19,20 14 0.3 0.3 25th 0 37 4,24
82 Centerville 1W 53.5 38.1 45.8 68 2nd 26 9,26 3.01 0.61 4th 12 0 0 0 0 33 4th
A Cincinnati 54.7 40.7 47.7 69 2nd 26 25th 5.15 1.15 11th 15 T T 25th 0 38 4th
13 Cincinnati 5NW 56.4 41.2 48.8 72 2nd 28 25,26 4.44 1.15 19th 20 T T 25th 0    
A Cleveland 51.7 37.2 44.55 64 2nd 24 26th 3.24 0.78 24th 13 0.9 0.9 25th 0 43 4,5
55 Cleves 3NW 55.9 39.8 47.9 71 7th 27 14th 5.08 1.2 18,19 13 T T 25th      
A Columbus 53.8 38.6 46.2 68 2nd 25 26th 4.12 0.69 11th 17 0.1 0.1 25th 0 41 4th
A Dayton 52.6 37.3 45 65 7,18 24 14th 3.18 0.75 11th 16 T T 25th 0 43 27th
22 Kent 2E                                  
430 Kent 2W 51.2 34.4 42.8 67 2nd 20 14th 3.3 0.54 2nd 16 1.1 1.1 25th 1 31 28th
2 Kidron 1N 53.6 36.7 45.2 68 2nd 21 14th 2.79 0.57 19th 16 0.1 0.1 25th 0 30 4th
87 Lagrange 2SW 51.5 34.8 43.2 63 2,7 19 14th 3.48 0.95 24th 11 0.6 0.6 25th 0 41 27th
A Mansfield 50.4 35.3 42.8 66 2nd 21 14th 3.55 0.91 2nd 13 0.8 0.8 25th 0 45 27th
51 Middleburg Heights  2N               3.42 0.79 24th 14 1.0 1.0 25th 1    
25 Munroe Falls 1SW 52.1 34.3 43.2 68 3rd 21 14,15 2.6 0.52 3rd 13th 0.7 0.7 26th 0    
32 North Ridgeville 1N 52.9 36.4 44.7 65 10th 19 14th 3.35 0.72 24th 12 0.9 0.9 25th 0 33 5th
106 Newcomerstown 1S 55.1 37.2 46.2 74 2nd 22 14th 4.09 0.63 19,24 14 0.1 0.1 25th 0 30 4th
15 Ottawa 4E 51 36.2 43.6 64 7th 20 14th 3.51 1.08 24th 18 0.3 0.3 25th 0 51 24th
79 Perrysville 4W 52.5 35.6 44 67 2nd 22 14th 2.97 0.86 19th 14 0.5 0.5 25th      
101 Ravenna 1E 53.1 39.3 46.2 69 2nd 27 25th 1.95 0.48 30th 16 0.25 0.25 25th 0 22 8th
121 Ravenna 1SE 53.4 33.2 43.3 69 2nd 21 14th 3.42 0.93 30th 13 T T 25th 0    
33 Rockbridge 4W 53.6 38.2 45.9 73 2nd 25 14,26 4.87 0.84 4th 18 T T 25th 0    
1 Springfield 2 53 38 46 67 7th 27 26th 3.41 0.61 11th 16 T T 25th 0 29 27th
112 Sugarcreek 2SW 53.3 36.4 44.9 69 2nd 23 9,14,15,26 3.37 0.66 19th 17 0.4 0.4 25th 0 30 27th
98 Thompson 5SW 50.1 34.9 42.5 62 23rd 23 14th 3.1 0.76 24th 18 2.8 2.3 25th 1 21 4,12
117 Tiltonsville 56.5 40 47.4 80 2nd 26 14th 2.99 0.53 19th 15 T T 25th 0 33 4th
A Toledo 50.3 35.4 42.8 64 10,18 21 14th 3.33 0.97 24,25 14 0.5 0.5 25th 0 38 24th
16 Wooster 7N 51.2 34.7 43 65 2nd 19 14th 2.85 0.59 2nd 17 0.3 0.3 25th 0 43 4th
A Youngstown 51.1 34.3 42.7 70 2nd 18 14th 2.46 0.5 24,25 12 0.4 0.4 25th 0 37 4th
OWON # Station Mean Max Temp Mean Min Temp Mean Temp High Temp Date Low Temp Date Total Prec Max 24hr Prec Date


Prec Days

Total Snow Max 24hr Snow Date #  1"+ Snow Days Max Wind Gust Date

 = Airport         




Date: Thu Nov 4, 2004 6:33 pm
Subject: October Data

High Temperature - 75 (7th, 30th)
Low Temperature - 27 (18th)
Total Precipitation - 2.41 inches
Maximum 24-hour Precipitation - 0.56 inches
Highest Wind Gust - 39 m.p.h. (30th)

Jack Sisler
Wooster 7N
Wayne County

Date: Sat Nov 6, 2004 8:07 pm
Subject: Online Weather School


I came across this website that may be of interest to many of us.
It's called "Jetstream - An Online Weather School" that's done by
NOAA. It's an educational weather site that covers many weather
topics but doesn't appear to get into anything too overwhelming.

Go to for more
details. I may go ahead and put this in the Links section since it
may be something many of us may want to refer to often.

Jack Sisler
OhioWx Group Moderator

Date: Mon Nov 8, 2004 6:45 pm
Subject: Coldest Night of Season?

With a temperature of 36 degrees @ 6:30 p.m. and a dewpoint of 21
degrees it could be the coldest night of the season. Would expect it
to go down to between 20-25. Coldest night so far was a 27 back on
October 18.

Jack Sisler
Wooster 7N
Wayne County

Date: Mon Nov 8, 2004 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Coldest Night of Season?

Right now at 645pm I have 40 with a dew point of 17
degrees. So I have to agree with you, this will
probably see one of the coldest nights we've seen in
several months.
Now that there will be a brief warm up Wed., then
another cold wave, and no more flu vaccine left, who
knows how many could get the flu.

Rich Rabatin
Ravenna 1E
Portage County

Date: Mon Nov 8, 2004 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Coldest Night of Season?

Rich and Jack;
The time is 9:30 and I have the coldest reading of the season so far right now. It is
currently 29 degrees with a dew point of 22. Record low for the 9'th is 17 in 1981 so that's
not likely to be touched.
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Tue Nov 9, 2004 8:42 am
Subject: Message From a 2Way Device

Group. The low temperature in Springfield was
29 degrees. The lowest since March 23rd at 23 degrees.Last year low for 11-9
24 degrees. Record low here is 19 degrees in 1991. Dick

Date: Tue Nov 9, 2004 8:53 am
Subject: Re: Emailing: Chumack2.jpg

Phil and Group:

There are websites that specialize in auroras, geomagnetic storms,
etc. One in particular is called the Solar Terrestrial Dispatch that
shows predictions, photos, etc. ( Click on
the Image Gallery and it will show photos taken around the country
and in Canada of the aurora of the past several days.

Wooster 7N

Date: Tue Nov 9, 2004 9:21 am
Subject: Morning Low 11/9/2004

Hi Group;
At 7:12 a.m. I had a low temperature of 24 degrees. That is the coldest low since April 6th
when I recorded a low of 23 degrees. Currently at 9:20 a.m. I have 32 degrees with the
following other conditions...
Winds ... Calm
Humidity ... 81%
Dew Point ... 27
Pressure ... 30.51" R

Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

From: "Phillip Higley"  
Date: Tue Nov 9, 2004 10:57 am
Subject: Temperature's

No record here..........It still stands at 12F set back in 1991
We got down to 25F at 4:41 a.m..
Right now we have 37F (@ 10:57 a.m.)
Becoming Cldy.
Don't foreget about looking for the NORTHERN light show tonight.
Putnam, Co.

Date: Tue Nov 9, 2004 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Digest Number 1598

The coldest I saw overnight was 23 degrees here in Mansfield.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:33 am
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Northern Lights show... And What a SHOW!!!

No photos, but WOW, I saw an AWESOME
show! Drove out of the city and
viewed from about 2:30 to 3am Monday

Why, it was so bright, one could read
from this wavy curtain glow!

The west-northwest at one point looked
like a flame from a candle, with a
red glow backdrop growing and spreading
over the northwest sky, while the rest of
the lights were mainly white and green!

There was very rapid, wave-like pulsing,

Some rays got very bright, like a spotlight
was turned-on shining skyward!

A rare, ALL-NIGHT event at this latitude!

This beats the other two events I've watched
in recent years.

Saw a brief glow stretching across the north
at one point this Tuesday evening. Didn't
get out otherwise, so I'll hafta to check my
eMails and other 'Space Wx' sites to see
what went on.

- Patrick

Date: Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:21 am
Subject: The Lyrics to the song "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald"

Big event here in northern OH when the Edmund Fitzgerald went down in 30
foot waves in 1975:

Date: Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:40 pm
Subject: Weather of November 9-10, 1975

The following is an account written by the NWS in Marquette of the weather preceding and during that fateful day:
"During the period of November 9-10, 1975, a strong autumn storm tracked from the central U.S. through the Great
Lakes region. While intense, it was not unusually strong for November. Early on the morning of November 9, a low
pressure system was organizing in central Kansas and had a pressure of 29.53 inches. By the evening of November
9, the low had moved northeast to eastern Iowa and had strengthened to 29.32 inches. During the next 12 hours, the
storm system underwent its most rapid intensification as it moved northeast into Upper Michigan. On the morning of
November 10, the low was located over Marquette, MI, and had a pressure of 29.00 inches. The low then headed
northeast across Lake Superior that morning and was then located just southwest of James Bay in Ontario in the
evening. Its pressure that evening was 28.88 inches."
"Ship observations during the November 1975 storm showed sustained wind speeds of 30 to 45 knots from the
northeast, east, or southeast prior to the low pressure system crossing the lake. As the low crossed the Lake, wind
shifted to the northwest and increased. Wind speeds of 50 knots were recorded over the eastern part of the lake. Ship
observations indicated waves of 16 to 18 feet during the height of the storm. Keep in mind that the rare peak waves
could have been one-and-a-half to two times that height."


Date: Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:51 pm
Subject: Record High

At 11:18 a.m. this morning Thursday November 11, 2004, a record high of 65 was established. This broke the
previous record high of 61 established in 2002.
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:04 am
Subject: After The Tornado

A link that I found on the web about the horrible twister that roared
thru OH in 2002.

Page attached:

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Digest Number 1601

Must be nice to have 61, Don!

We didn't even make 45 degrees up here.


Pam in North Central OH

Date: Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:31 am
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Digest Number 1601

Hello Pam;
We actually hit 65, 61 was the old record high reading. Though it was a nice warm reading, it was dampered
by the strong winds. However when the winds died off and you had your back to the sun, well, it was a
beautiful November day.
Reality stinks though. Currently 42 degrees with winds from the NNE @ 8 gusting to 16 and cloudy skies.
Satellite promisses sunshine shortly, but no warm air for a few days. Take care.
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:48 pm
Subject: Wooster Tornado Anniversary

It was one year ago today, November 12, 2003, at about 7 p.m. an F2
(winds 113-157 m.p.h.) tornado tore through the middle of Wooster.
The path was 12 miles long and about 400 feet wide (wider in areas
by my observations). There were only three injuries and no deaths.
Final property damage has been put at 25 million dollars. Around 15
businesses and over 100 homes were damaged. Hundreds of trees, many
of which were located in one of the larger parks, were destroyed.

Today,one year later, things have gotten back to normal for the most
part. Millions of dollars has been put back into the rebuilding
efforts. A few of the homes had to be temporarily vacated while
rebuilding took place. Thousands of dollars has been privately
donated into a fund for the restoration of hundreds of trees in the
park that were lost. Efforts of replacing these trees began in the
Spring of 2004. Landscaping "scars" are still evident where its path
took it through more densely wooded areas. There was no assistance
in the form of government loans since insurance and private funding
paid for most of the cost. The one big negative impact was part of
the former Rubbermaid plant was heavily damaged. The tornado was
kind of the "final blow" for the industry's demise.

The biggest "positive", if you want to call it that, of this tornado
was that many more injuries and even death didn't occur. A
difference of timing and/or the tornado's path could have been the
difference between life or death. About halfway along the tornado's
path took it between two elementary schools that were within a
couple blocks. Had the tornado gone north it would have hit one of
these schools; had it gone south it would have hit the other. Timing
of this tornado was another factor. Had this tornado occurred about
four hours earlier it could have been devasting even if the schools
didn't take a direct hit. Many of these children have to walk within
a mile radius of the school that could have created a much serious

There are no known photographs of this tornado to have been taken
since sunset at that time was around 5 p.m. and the tornado's
occurance was around 7 p.m. There were some copies of a tornado
taken but not of that particular tornado circulating around the
internet soon after, however it's my understanding that these same
pictures and stories seem to get put out by persons unknown around
the country soon after these kinds of events occur.

Jack Sisler
Wooster 7N
Wayne County

Date: Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:50 pm
Subject: correction

My post to Don should of read: We had a high of 49 degrees at midnight
and thru the day yesterday the temp dropped, stopping at a low of 32


Pam in North Central OH

Date: Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:11 pm
Subject: Message From a 2Way Device

Group, Has anyone noticed how high the
barometric pressure is today? Here in Springfield at 6 p.m it is 30.67 inches
and rising. This is one of the highest recorded here for November.
Dick Groeber.

Date: Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: Message From a 2Way Device

Dick and Group:

Yea, I'm at 30.70 inches and rising @ 7:00 p.m. Could be the highest
recorded here for November but not the highest ever. I had 30.80
inches back on March 10, 1996.

I think the other thing noticable along with the high barometeric
pressure is the dewpoints; very dry with dewpoints in the teens
during the night and 20's during the day. Static cling and dryness
of the throat were quite noticable.

Jack Sisler
Wooster 7N

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:41 am
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Message From a 2Way Device

Jack and All,
As of 1039 AM today, my highest reading was 30.85
inches. At first, I thought my barometer wasn't
working right until I read the e-mails.

Rich Rabatin
Ravenna 1E
Portage County

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:08 pm
Subject: pressure

hello everyone,
The pressure reading at Toledo
5 ne, lucas co. near michigan line was
30.84 in. recorded @ 8:58 am....

mike bielski
toledo 5 ne
lucas co.
point place

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] pressure

Here at Newcomerstown 1S the pressure topped out at 30.78" @ 8:15 a.m. It is currently on the fall at 30.72"
@ 12:45 p.m. Our morning low temperature was 22 at 7:26 a.m. That is now the coldest morning low for the
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Message From a 2Way Device

I know this hasn't been brought up, but I personally think the NWS forecast high's for Monday through
Wednesday are too low, especially considering the strength of this High pressure system. I wouldn't be
surprised to see my location hit 60-65 Tuesday and Wednesday. I currently have a reading of 51 @ 1 p.m.
Any other thoughts?
Don Keating

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: Message From a 2Way Device

Don and Group:

My barometric pressure peaked out at 30.79 inches just before 7 a.m.
this morning. At noon the center was located just about over Toledo
with a pressure of 1042 millibars (30.77 inches)so the pressure
appears to be lessening.

Not just to take the opposite side (which the two of us enjoy doing
in fun) I don't see any warmup at least into late week. If going by
what the 12z ETA model run looked like this morning the strong High
appears to be just circulating around the Ohio Valley much of the
week, hence, the forecasts for no rain for most of the week. Looks
like the reason is a strong Low east of Nova Scotia is not moving.
So unless it can get far enough east I don't think we can get on the
backside of the High to give us some warmth.

Other opionions? Nice to see everyone jumping in there.

Wooster 7N

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: Message From a 2Way Device

Hi Jack and Group;
If we do not express opinions, how are we to learn, right? I do not mind opposite opinions at all! :-)
I was unaware of the low stalling out off of NS Canada. I guess that also answeres for why we're expecting 4
or 5 days of partly to mostly skies.
For this time of year with all of the sunshine and pleasant weather, we could be in MUCH WORSE shape,
historically speaking. I'll take mid-50's and sunshine in mid and late November anytime!!!
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 3:01 pm
Subject: Message From a 2Way Device

Group, The barometric pressire here in
Springfield hit 30.82 inches establishing a new high reading for November.
previous was 30.75 inches both on the 21st in 1985 and the 15th in 1986.
date to 1968. Dick Groeber.

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Pretty Day Here

Our pressure in Middletown peaked at 30.73" at 11 a.m. Morning low was 34.1 degrees.

A beautiful day here.

Middletown OH

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: Message From a 2Way Device


Curious as to what your all-time highest barometric pressure ever
recorded has been since 1968? Also, did you see the attachment on
the state boundaries map I sent a few days ago and if so will that

Wooster 7N

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:33 pm
Subject: Message From a 2Way Device

Jack and Group, My records show the highest barometric
recorded here in Springfield since 1968 was 30.94 inches on Feb. 13, 1981.
No, I did see the attachmemt. Please forward to Dick Groeber.

Date: Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Message From a 2Way Device

Dick, Jack and Group;
I thought I'd chime in on this especially since my record highest pressure is with-in five days of Dick's. My
highest pressure was recorded on February 18, 1981 at 31.00". The reading of 30.78" today is in the top five
highest in my records.
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:02 am
Subject: October's Weather Statistics for Centerville 1W

Weather statistics for the month of October for Centerville 1W.
High Temp (Date) ... 79 / 8th
Low Temp (Date) ... 31 / 5th
Mean High .. 64.8
Mean Low .. 43.7
Monthly Mean ... 54.2
Total Precipitation ... 2.97"
Max 24 hr Precipitation (Date) ... 1.22" / 18th
Number of Precipitation Days... 10
Total Snowfall... 0.0"
Max 24 hr Snowfall (Date) ...
Max Snow Depth at time of observation ... 0"
High Wind Gust (Date) ... 39 MPH / 30th
Thunderstorm Days ... 0
Highest Barometer (Date) ... 30.49" / 6th & 7th
Lowest Barometer (Date) ... 29.39" / 15th
Average High Wind Gust... 16.2 MPH
Year To Date Precipitation . 34.98"
Robert Flory - KA5RUC
Centerville 1W
Southeast Montgomery County
Ohio Weather Observer Network #82
Wilmington NWS Skywarn ID OMT405

Date: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:17 am
Subject: School Day Forcast

After an overnight low of 26 degrees, the day will bring spring like
conditions in the 50's.

Dry, sun with some clouds and another high barometer currently of 30.65.

Yesterday the barometer peaked at absolute wonderful day to
be outside.

Getting ready for winter here in Mansfield, got the plastic up and this
week will get the storm windows in.

Let it snow!

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:50 am
Subject: Revisions, Updates, Etc.


While corresponding with Dick Groeber on another matter he asked me
to pass along that anyone that anyone wanting to discuss anything in
great detail or has an attachment to send to please do so through
his other email address; He is limited on what he
can do with his pager address which is the one listed with Yahoo.

This might be a good time to ask everyone to check the Members
section and update, delete, change, etc. anything in their profile
that may need updating. A few members have more than one email
address listed with the group. That is fine as long as both are
still active. If one email is no longer valid any messages that go
to an invalid email address "bounces" before going to a valid email
address. This may lengthen the time between when a message is sent
and when it is received.

Again, thanks for jumping in there and keep it going. Remember,
don't be shy in bringing up a weather topic for discussion and
remember to take some pictures so we can post them on the homepage.

Jack Sisler
OhioWx Group Moderator

Date: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:08 am
Subject: Sunbeam BaroMeter Peaked at 30.85" (1045kP)

Hey WxGroupies... Who would've thunk:

This is the most accurate barometer I have...
a $3 Sunbeam brand. Part of weather
station I purchased for less than $10 at KMart
some years ago.

It's better than a few stand-alone barometers
I also have, one which cost me $30!

I notice that the movement is not a

I was curious to see how accurate or not it
would track when far away from 30 inches.

Now I'll wait for the center of a Low to
pass over me at 28".

- Patrick

Date: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:02 pm
Subject: Gone crazy

TWC has finally pushed me over the edge.....LOL

Our "few showers" has turned into a major rain event.

The local map shows light green, dark green and a smidge of yellow here
in the entire northern half of OH.

They just have no credibility on TWC anymore.

I take their forcast with a grain of salt.....

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Gone crazy

Hey Pam;
TWC lost me as a faithful viewer a long time ago. It was alot different when Bruce Edwards (now on
WUAB/WOIO 43/19 in Cleveland) and Bill Schubert (now on WTOV 9 in Stuebenville) were there.
TWC is so biast for the east coast big cities, the desert southwest and big cities in the west, it sickens me. I
know this is beating a dead horse on this topic on this e-mail list but it's true, they are terrible. It was bad
enough that they shove Storm Stories down your throat twice a day seven days a week, but now they have
their other production, oh what's it called, "Project Planet Earth"? Something like that. I visualize one day
that TWC will be more one hour programs and less current weather.
Don Keating

Date: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Re: SOUND THE FOG HORN!

Jack and Group;
Humidity has dropped to 93% here in Newcomerstown @ 7:20 p.m. Visibility is less than 1/2 mile and hass
been about all day. Temperature is 58 and dewpoint is 56.
Predictions, for Thanksgiving time frame next week? Ummm, not me, even though I did hit the mark with
readings in the 60's in Ohio by this time as I predicted early this week. :-) Too early to say for a week from
today but I'm already seeing the NWS relaxing a bit on high's for Tuesday and Wednesday of next week.
Yesterday they had upper 30's forecasted, now it's lower 50's.
Don Keating
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:33 pm
Subject: Rainfall

Rainfall here at Newcomerstown since midnight has been 0.63" This adds to the ever expanding record precipitation
total for the year. Following are a few numbers...
Daily Rainfall --- 0.63"
Monthly Rainfall --- 2.29"
Annual Precipitation --- 52.57"
These figures are through noon Friday November 19th, 2004.
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:54 pm
Subject: Fw: Ohio Precipitation Network Announcement - Ohio Precipitation Network to be discontinued effective

I, as well as other members of the Ohio Precipitation Network, received the following email regarding the status of
the Ohio Precipitation Network. As stated, the OPN will be discontinued effective immediately. Those members
covered under the other WFO's in Ohio (Northern Indiana (IWX), Wilmington (ILN), Charleston (RLX), and
Pittsburgh (PIT)) may have certain procedures to follow.
In addition to anyone making these snowfall reports to their respective NWS office, I would encourage everyone
associated with this group (OhioWx) to post similar observations. In addition to significant snowfall that occurs at
your location, any personal observations (road conditions, human interest stories, etc) would be encouraged to post
these as well. Thanks.
Jack Sisler
OhioWx Group Moderator
----- Original Message -----
From: Managers of Ohio Precipitation Network
To: Members of Ohio Precipitation Network
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:49 PM
Subject: Ohio Precipitation Network Announcement - Ohio Precipitation Network to be discontinued effective

Announcement from Managers of Ohio Precipitation Network


Hi Group:
I've just been in contact with Mr. Jim Kosarik of the National Weather Service in Cleveland concerning snowfall reporting for
the 2004-05 winter season. Mr. Kosarik stated that the NWS in Cleveland will NOT be using the Ohio Precipitation Network
to access snowfall reports this winter season. Instead, the National Weather Service intends to have all snowfall observers e-
mail their reports directly to them. Detailed information concerning snowfall reporting for the 2004-05 winter season will be
sent to you by the Cleveland NWS, if you have not already received it. All snowfall observers for the Cleveland NWS should
sent their reports to the following e-mail address:
Because of this, the Ohio Precipitation Network will be discontinued effective immediately. All future correspondence
concerning snowfall observations, reporting procedures, etc. should be directed to the Cleveland NWS at the above listed e-
mail address.
It has been a pleasure to be associated with such a dedicated group of weather enthusiasts such as yourselves. I wish all of you
the best in your future endeavors! Best wishes to all of you!
Matt Higgins
Ohio Precipitation Network Manager

Date: Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: Snow reports


FYI: A little background info on the snow reports. The NWS had been a member
the OPN since its inception and monitored the list to get snow reports. We
post processed them into our database. Matt did a great job with the list

In 2002/03 the MSN list was timely. Last season the MSN list was unreliable.
Reports were coming in several days late. We need the reports on time each
morning and evening so we decided to ask for your reports to be emailed
here to the NWS this season. If you wish to email your report to multiple
sources, you should set up an address block at your location or just edit
previous report.

Your reports will be posted on our web site each morning and evening under
"latest snow reports" at the top of our front page ( On
occasion a report may be missed - please accept our apologies - we process a
of data each morning. This is why we alos ask you to fill out a hard copy
monthly log).

We wanted to keep the process as simple as possible since you guys are great
about sending in reports. Hopefully this will not add much work for anybody.
some point in the future we may try to create observed snow maps on the fly
morning and evening for posting.

If anyone is not officially reporting to the NWS (in N OH or NW PA) and
to be involved, please email me at

Jim Kosarik NWS Cleveland

Date: Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:34 am
Subject: Today

We had an overnight low of 41. At least the rain has stopped! I dumped
1.25 inches since this rain event started..

Forcast for today is cooler but drier.

Turkey Day and following days call for s....., s......, s........ I
can't bring myself to say the s word. LOL

We are long overdue, so bring it on. (even though these days have been
WONDERFUL here, as late.

Oh could be worse. We could live in the central Rockies
where snow fell yesterday, big time.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:54 pm
Subject: Weather Variety


I think various parts of Ohio is going to experience a little of
everything Wednesday and Thursday. I think with the 996mb low
forecast to go just about directly over Ohio rain and wind will be
our biggest problems. We may have some strong storms because of some
strong shear and CAPES of 500-1000 J/kg but I think that will be
mostly over extreme southern Ohio and only if we break out into an
extended length of sunshine. We may see some 1 inch plus rainfall
over various parts of the state.

I think any snowfall will be limited to less than an inch at best
and that mostly in the northwestern counties. Parts of lower
Michigan and northern Indiana have snow advisories for 2-5 inches by
late Wednesday night.

Any other views?

Wooster 7N

Date: Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Weather Variety

Jack and Group;
Personally, here in eastern Ohio, I believe if we receive any substantial amount of sunshine Wednesday, we'll
easily jump into the low or mid-60's tomorrow. As for severe weather, I doubt it. Strong thunderstorms?
I think the forecast high's for Thursday and Firday are being overly estimated, in other words, too low. 40-45
yea, 35-38, hmmmm.
Will close for now. If I don't post again until afterwards, Happy Thanksgiving to each and every list
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

From: "Phillip Higley"  
Date: Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:25 am
Subject: First Snow

Well late last night we got our first measureable snowfall for
today..........Wasn't much, but it was our first snowfall of the season..
Snow this a.m. .3"
Just the grass area were cover litely..
Now the sun is trying to come out & the outside air temperature is
30F, after a morning low of 29F.
The winds seem like they are dieing down to..Out of the WNW @ 10
M.P.H.(But have to remember I have Trees to the N & to the W. They
are about 100' + from my wind speed up. Which is about 40' HI.
Putnam, Co.

Date: Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:06 am
Subject: Yesterday's skies - and really low pressure

We haven't gotten any snow here so far, but there's a line of snow showers
to my west. I doubt that they'll get here - too much heat in the air from
all of the roasting turkeys and fixings :-)

Middletown OH

Date: Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:49 am
Subject: Transitionl Period

Looks more like Christmas than Thanksgiving. Temps in the 50's last
night with light rain. Barometric pressure bottomed out at 29.22
around 9 p.m. but winds were almost calm. Kind of like being in
the "eye" of the storm; you knew things were going to change.

As of about 9:30 am its been snowing and has been since about 5 a.m.
Have had snow cover all morning with snow showers. Temps have
dropped almost five degrees in the last four hours. Current
temperature is 30 degrees. Winds are picking up; 13 mph with gusts
to 29.

Wooster 7N

Date: Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: Yesterday's skies - and really low pressure

Mansfield had at least an inch of snow but the ice was unreal from all the
that had fallen.

It took me 30 minutes to get the windows to where I could see out enough to
drive. That was after I had to "break into" my car due to all the ice.

I'm in Columbus OH right now and it's still got ice on it.

Cleveland met said that Cleveland had the lowest barometer in the nation last

I can't remember what it was because at 5:30am I had just awoke and was still


From: "Phillip Higley"  
Date: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:31 pm
Subject: weather update

Well Thanksgiven is pretty well over with NOW.
An so is the snow...
Our snow that we had earlier this morning is gone!
It was pretty well gone by 12:30 p.m. We only had .3 .
We got up to 37F after being down to 29F early this
morning.(6:47a.m.) Right now it's 32F. With a lite wind of 3 M.P.H. out
of the WSW. Ptly. Cldy. with clearing off to the west.
Seeing that we had our first measureable snowfall on the 25 of Nov.,
does it mean that we will have 25 day's of measureable snowfall??
That what the farmers say...
#15 Putnam, Co.

Date: Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:50 pm
Subject: LOL

Just as I started to unload the car 15 minutes ago, it started to sleet
or whatever you call those little balls of ice/snow.

I opened the door and out runs one of my kitties to "escape"

She stops in her tracks and looks up at the precip and the look was "what the heck?"

Anyway, it's 33 degrees and not really that bad out.

Most of the snow is gone, but still on bushes and roofs.

Looks like a postcard.......

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:52 pm
Subject: Davis Weather station crazy question

I hope you all had a nice holiday weekend.
You might remember I had a problem with my anemometer last spring not working. It reads wind direction
but not wind speed. Well my husband checked everything out as you all advised and there was no
obvious reason that it wasn't working. So - I procrastinated this summer and fall and didn't get around to
calling Davis to see what my options were.
Well - as the weather got colder over the last week, the anemometer is now starting to read the wind
speed again. As it warmed up yesterday, it quit reading again. Now that it's cold again today, it's working
We'd sure be appreciative if you have any suggestions as we are totally baffled with this. Prior to last
week it hadn't worked since last Spring.

Date: Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:44 pm
Subject: CC's

When the rain moved thru it pushed the warm air right out!

Noticably colder by about 10 degrees and the wind chill is 29 (which I
strongly agree with)
Pam in North Central OH

Date: Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:11 pm
Subject: HELLO

Hi! I was a member of this group a couple years ago and have been in
the Ohio Weather Observer Network since soon after its inception. We
changed internet providers a couple times and I had trouble accessing
this group. I finally became frustrated and gave up. I have missed
all of you. It's nice to be back.

Ron Rothhaas
Cincinnati 5NW Ohio

Date: Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] Davis Weather station crazy question

The wind cups are on a shaft that needs to rotate. Do the cups move in warm
weather? If not, then maybe it just needs to be adjusted down a 1/16" or
so. Just enough to clear the housing when the warm weather expands the cup
housing enough to contact the base?

Just a thought....


Date: Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:58 pm
Subject: November Snowfalls

It seemed to me that this November at my location was going to be
quite a bit below normal on snowfall so I did some figuring. Unless
I get more than an inch between now and the end of the month I will
be below normal. As of now I've had 0.3 inch for November. My
average for November snowfalls for the past thirteen years at this
location comes out to be 1.4 inches.

With a lack of snowfall for this November I wonder if this will be
the pattern set for Winter or if things will drastically change in
the months ahead. Any opinions?

Wooster 7N
Wayne County

Date: Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] HELLO

Hi Ron....I'm way up here in Manfield, half way between Columbus and

I'm on the very fringe of the snow belt and it can be sunny in the rest
of the county and state and in Mansfield it can be snowing, raining or

On Turkey Day we had ice to contend with and as soon as I got out of
town...everything was fine.



Pam in North Central OH

From: "Phillip Higley"  
Date: Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] November Snowfalls

I don't think so.....
Mother nature has a way of turning things around. If you been looking at
the lastest maps on Amercia Wx weather page, it is NOW trying to make it
past the 40 degrees line. If this happen's we just might get close to being
back to normal in December.
We here in Northwest Oh. only had .3" of snowfall & that come in on the
25th. So far as I remember, when we have our first snowfall, measureable
snowfall of the season we will have that number of day's with measureable
snowfall. So far this been coming about.

Date: Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] November Snowfalls

We've had snow as early as early October here in Manfield.

I judge the winter on that.

This year it came on Turkey Day.

Pam in North Central OH

Date: Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:50 pm
Subject: gloomy

No ppt in Cincy today, just lots of dark As. Dim sun occasionally
peaked through. Lots of virga visible, also confirmed on radar. 42F
with a stiff east breeze.

As for winter at least some of you have seen measureable snow. A
trace of flurries here on Thanksgiving is all I've seen. I agree
with the sentiment THINK SNOW, THINK SNOW, THINK SNOW! I'm not sure
what to expect for winter. So far quite warm but nearly a foot of
rain since October 14 after a 39 day streak with only 0.25! I missed
ALL the tropical storms but have since made up for it.

Ron Rothhaas
Cincinnati 5NW

Date: Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [OhioWx] November Snowfalls

Hello Jack and Group;
My only measurable snowfall has been Thanksgiving with 0.1". Average for November is 1.4" so we are 1.3"
below normal.
As for the winter season and snowfall..... No comment at this point in time. The storm track, winds aloft and
jet stream have all saved our butts so far. I think it's too close to call. I hope the winds aloft stay the way
they've been in general. I personally wouldn't be offended to see a lack of snowfall this winter and warmer
than normal temperatures. But what are the chances of that? HA!!
Don Keating #106
Newcomerstown 1S

Date: Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: gloomy


Surface temperatures only have so much influence on
what you see fall. Cold arctic air can be very dense and very
shallow. I have seen observations of freezing rain (liquid) with a
temperature in the teens. Several times here we have had rain with
temperatures near 20F. In these instances the temperature at cloud
level is above freezing. Such a condition can persist for hours and
even days leading to devestating ice storms such as in the northeast
several years ago or central Kentucky a few years ago when ice was
over an inch thick. Last year I had the displeasure of driving from
Cincinnati to Columbus in moderate rain with the temperature in the
low to mid 20's. I had to stop at Washington Court House to knock a
half inch of ice off my barely functioning windshield wipers. By the
time I got to Columbus the surface cold layer was thick enough the
rain was freezing before it hit the surface and ice pellets were
falling. Conversely I have seen snow pellets from cold air just
above the surface when the surface temperature was as warm as 47F!

I am hearing there is a chance of a quick shot of snow Friday night
but temperatures will quickly warm behind this system as a bigger
system approaches. For now we are locked in a mild stormy pattern.

Ron Rothhaas
Cincinnati 5NW

--- In, BWC_0039@w... wrote:
> Huh? Our temp was 36 and sleet and when it went down to 33 it
> Kinda backwards than what common sense tells you.
> Pam in North Central OH

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